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Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by vibrato »

OmarIsmail wrote: post #21

All the "free speech" advocates here, do you still stand by that when it comes to child porn, or specific threats against individuals? If you do, and publicly, well... at least you're consistent. If you don't then you're already ok with some kind of censorship, and the argument is just about where the line is drawn. I really don't like when people talk about "censorship in general" when they really mean "This is belo…

We have laws against those specifics you mention under the first amendment. So yes, I would prefer the tech companies did nothing but assist law enforcement of the violations (when warranted).

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by tantalor »

sasasassy wrote: post #29
OmarIsmail wrote: post #21

All the "free speech" advocates here, do you still stand by that when it comes to child porn, or specific threats against individuals? If you do, and publicly, well... at least you're consistent. If you don't then you're already ok with some kind of censorship, and the argument is just about where the line is drawn. I really don't like when people talk about "censorship in general" when they really mean "This is belo…

Yes. You should not go to jail just for having some specific sequences of ones and zeroes on a magnetic device on your home. You should go to jail if you do actual crimes, you know, with real victims. Not imaginary victims that don't know when you see a video in the first place.

IANAL but knowingly transmitting CP is arguably "aiding & abetting" (i.e., encouraging) the "actual crimes" after the fact.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by feanaro »

warning26 wrote: post #9

I know people on here will disagree with this, but I think many of these events indicate that online censorship is needed. I believe it's becoming increasingly clear that merely allowing far-right dialogue online is essentially responsible for ease of radicalization, and that proactive censorship would be the best approach to forestall this.

No. If anything should be disallowed, it is discussions about allowing censorship. We have quite enough historical examples of the horrible things that happen under censorship.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by bigJails »

x38iq84n wrote: post #5
judge2020 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. I do agree that there should be a warning about the content, but trying to block it from viewing at all is showing a dark pattern of Google, Facebook, etc. and Governments being able to dictate what your eyes can and can't see.

NZ goes even further, threatening 10 years prison for a “possession of a video”. Kiwis have gone bananas. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-16/nz-threatens-10-ye...

Imagine how big the jails would need to be to realistically support such a policy.

Furthermore, I think we all know almost no one is going to do the full ten years. I mean what a waste. Any jail time at all, over a video saved on a device, is patently unjust, but the idea that anybody’s not getting commuted to probation after maybe one night, 30 days for mouthing off or even a whopping 6 months possibly for violent behavior behind bars is a joke.

Unless, of course, you’ve got for-profit prison corporations in the mix...

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by eclipxe »

x38iq84n wrote: post #5
judge2020 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. I do agree that there should be a warning about the content, but trying to block it from viewing at all is showing a dark pattern of Google, Facebook, etc. and Governments being able to dictate what your eyes can and can't see.

NZ goes even further, threatening 10 years prison for a “possession of a video”. Kiwis have gone bananas. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-16/nz-threatens-10-ye...

When did zerohedge become so...bad. The comments on that thread are atrocious. It wasn’t always like that.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by happytoexplain »

sasasassy wrote: post #29
OmarIsmail wrote: post #21

All the "free speech" advocates here, do you still stand by that when it comes to child porn, or specific threats against individuals? If you do, and publicly, well... at least you're consistent. If you don't then you're already ok with some kind of censorship, and the argument is just about where the line is drawn. I really don't like when people talk about "censorship in general" when they really mean "This is belo…

Yes. You should not go to jail just for having some specific sequences of ones and zeroes on a magnetic device on your home. You should go to jail if you do actual crimes, you know, with real victims. Not imaginary victims that don't know when you see a video in the first place.

While I agree with this notion generally, you're avoiding the relevant point, which is that information is not something that inherently can have no direct effect on the real world. Child porn is the usual example where you can start to make a reasonable argument that possessing it creates a real-world effect, not due to the possession itself, but due to the necessary action required to possess, which is seeking it out and acquiring it from a provider, etc etc.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by blackbrokkoli »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #17
Simulacra wrote: post #13

People around the office were watching it. Shockingly easy to find.

You have ask what sort of people would watch this ???.

Why are people reading news about such events which happen on the literal other side of the world, spending a week discussing it in their social circle?

To what end? Becoming an informed voter? Don't think so. It's entertainment, just like watching the video. It just sounds less socially acceptable.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

sasasassy wrote: post #29
OmarIsmail wrote: post #21

All the "free speech" advocates here, do you still stand by that when it comes to child porn, or specific threats against individuals? If you do, and publicly, well... at least you're consistent. If you don't then you're already ok with some kind of censorship, and the argument is just about where the line is drawn. I really don't like when people talk about "censorship in general" when they really mean "This is belo…

Yes. You should not go to jail just for having some specific sequences of ones and zeroes on a magnetic device on your home. You should go to jail if you do actual crimes, you know, with real victims. Not imaginary victims that don't know when you see a video in the first place.

I’m sorry, but that crass treatment of “ones and zeroes” as not being part of the real world is a serious logical fallacy. It should apply across the board—if you’re a serious engineer.

Those same “ones and zeroes” could cost someone their life as much as a mal-designed truss on a bridge could. That is not a new phenomenon.

The same applies to childrens’ safety.

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