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Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by 40acres »

We have yet to have a real discussion about what we expect the largest platforms to do about content like this.

The nature of online content is that once it's created it can be copied quite easily, if Facebook was able to block 80% of this content that should be commended.

AI is not at the point where we can expect 100% of this content to be removed and if it was there would likely be some collateral damage that others would complain about.

At it's current state we need a lot more humans screening this type of content and who are we to subject other people to that type of mental disturbance?

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by eg5fv4 »

refurb wrote: post #10
warning26 wrote: post #9

I know people on here will disagree with this, but I think many of these events indicate that online censorship is needed. I believe it's becoming increasingly clear that merely allowing far-right dialogue online is essentially responsible for ease of radicalization, and that proactive censorship would be the best approach to forestall this.

It's amazing how quickly people will give up fundamental rights in the name of safety.

Thanks to this particular incident I've clearly seen the hypocrisy of many people regarding these matters.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by marcinzm »

warning26 wrote: post #9

I know people on here will disagree with this, but I think many of these events indicate that online censorship is needed. I believe it's becoming increasingly clear that merely allowing far-right dialogue online is essentially responsible for ease of radicalization, and that proactive censorship would be the best approach to forestall this.

>I believe it's becoming increasingly clear that merely allowing far-right dialogue online is essentially responsible for ease of radicalization, and that proactive censorship would be the best approach to forestall this.

Because of course, censorship only blocks the material you personally don't want others to view and never material you personally would want others to view. I can see a lot of politicians, especially those getting elected nowadays, wanting to block any discussion of minority rights, LGTBQ+ rights, trans rights, drug reform, abortion, women's health, women's rights, climate change, non-christian religion discussions, etc, etc, etc.

edit: Note that this isn't a straw man argument. All it takes is one to look at the censorship that happened in the US in the 50s and 60s (comic code, movie/television code, mccarthyism, etc. ) to see what is possible.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by fhcm8o3x4h »

warning26 wrote: post #9

I know people on here will disagree with this, but I think many of these events indicate that online censorship is needed. I believe it's becoming increasingly clear that merely allowing far-right dialogue online is essentially responsible for ease of radicalization, and that proactive censorship would be the best approach to forestall this.

As with any idea, people come to believe and subscribe to ideologies because they are genuinely pursuasive and they are persuasive because they contain substantial - and often meaningful/relevant - truths (if biased and omitting other relevant truths).

However, censorship is exactly the wrong thing to do.

If these pockets of knowledge are cordoned off, and inaccessible to causal observers then fewer people will know about them. There will be less people who are well versed in the ideas, and as a result fewer who are able to identify and explain their limits and context. This makes it far easier to radicalize folks.

It's also super intuitive, of course censorship increases radicalization. That's why a corrupt government censors, to have better control of and more precisely manipulate their beliefs. Something that wouldn't be possible if everyone had more information.

So yeah, I disagree.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by armitron »

warning26 wrote: post #9

I know people on here will disagree with this, but I think many of these events indicate that online censorship is needed. I believe it's becoming increasingly clear that merely allowing far-right dialogue online is essentially responsible for ease of radicalization, and that proactive censorship would be the best approach to forestall this.

Radicalization happens a lot quicker when groups are forced into ideological bubbles that have no pressure release valves. I feel as if we have two real choices here:

+ We fundamentally change how the Internet works and introduce an omnipotent overseer that enforces norms and behavior. We have to go all the way with this in order to reap the security benefits, half-measures - what we have today - won't work. If we do go all the way, we find ourselves living in a hellish dystopia. This is the top-down, centralized approach.

+ We realize that the only way out is through and ride the wave of rapid information propagation on the Internet, waiting for bottom-up reorganization to take place and the emergence of something new. Censorship has no place here. Extreme points of view should be allowed to diffuse-disperse by exposing them to the rest of the system. This is the decentralized, cybernetic approach.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by marcinzm »

eg5fv4 wrote: post #12
refurb wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's amazing how quickly people will give up fundamental rights in the name of safety.

Thanks to this particular incident I've clearly seen the hypocrisy of many people regarding these matters.

Hypocrisy? Why do you assume that censorship will be used to block far-right material rather than leftist material? The right is gaining more and more political power and historically (at least in the US) is the side most willing to use censorship for it's own benefit.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by mrkstu »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #17
Simulacra wrote: post #13

People around the office were watching it. Shockingly easy to find.

You have ask what sort of people would watch this ???.

The same people who gathered around TVs on 9/11 after the first strike and then saw the 2nd strike live? So most of the country?
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