I wish it could be made illegal to optimise for engagement. “Engagement” their acceptable replacement word for what they really want to optimise for: Addiction.
It’s such a slippery slope, but you’re so right. Chemists designed a chemical that’s optimized for engagement too — it’s called heroin! On the other side, one could argue that just about any successful product or service, by definition, optimized for engagement (addiction). Hit TV shows, beautiful vacation spots, sex. So where do you draw the line?
Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed
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Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed
#52http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/the-toxoplasma-of-rage/
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"So there’s a tradeoff here, with X on one side and Y on the other.
X can get everyone to agree in principle that Q is bad, but no one will pay any attention to it.
And Y can get everyone to pay attention to Q, but a lot of people who would otherwise oppose it will switch to supporting it just because they’re so mad at the way it’s being publicized.
At least Y got them to pay attention! They’re traveling up an incentive gradient that rewards them for doing so, even if it destroys their credibility."
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"People talk about the shift from old print-based journalism to the new world of social media and the sites adapted to serve it. These are fast, responsive, and only just beginning to discover the power of controversy. They are memetic evolution shot into hyperdrive, and the omega point is a well-tuned machine optimized to search the world for the most controversial and counterproductive issues, then make sure no one can talk about anything else. An engine that creates money by burning the few remaining shreds of cooperation, bipartisanship and social trust."
Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are left wing Breitbarts just like there's MSNBC for TV. The issue then becomes why these are far less popular. Its not because of a FB algorithm - that's for certain. I can ask everyone in my family if they've heard of Breitbart and 99% will say yes. If I ask if they've heard of Rachael Maddow.. maybe 40%? This is despite both of them engaging heavily in anger porn
That's not really a valid comparison. Rachel Maddow is an anchor on MSNBC, which my guess is everyone has heard of. I know what Breitbart is but I don't know any of their writers by name.
Contrast this with Fox News, where the last time I tuned in to that channel 3 angry people were screaming across a table at each other about how liberals are going to outlaw hamburgers. The camera is flying around like a sportscast, and there's graphics and animations blaring in the background. The people in the room seem to have no relevant credentials as to the topic at hand. Are there any environmental experts at the table? Food science experts? No, there's just "political analysts" and "strategists".
Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed
#54Fox news is the new 700 club. It's a steady diet of comfort food.
Funny dog videos are “comfort food”. Fox News is hate porn.
If your view of Fox News was largely based from 2008 and The Daily Show - How could you know?
With a blanket statement like “Fox News is hate porn” you clearly aren’t seeking alternative viewpoints. This isn’t even getting into that you are lumping Fox NEWS and Fox News Channel Opinion Shows together which isn’t unfair to do so long as you do the same with CNN and MSNBC alike).
[0] https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/media-trump-ha...
[1] https://www.npr.org/2017/10/02/555092743/study-news-coverage...
[2] https://www.chicagotribune.com/g00/news/columnists/kass/ct-t...
Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed
#55Long time ago, my facebook newsfeed was full of my friends' sharing, it's been very useful place for us to keep friends update. But now, it's a different place. It's a place for ads, for livestream, for real "social" stuffs, but most of them is useless to me for what i use facebook for.
Only really big topics make it through like the New Zealand shooting.
Have you tried curating your feed by unfollowing pages, groups, people who share things you don’t like?
Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed
#56Angry? It makes you angry but that doesn't mean it's angry. Just like hate speech that causes you to hate but isn't necessarily motivated by hatred.
Read the article. "Angry" in this context is the Facebook reaction (such as the "like").
Fox New Headline ”Immigration crisis confirmed as 70,000 illegals pass into USA in Feburary - CBP”
Guess what? People on the left and right both ‘ANGRY’ that for different reasons.
Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed
#57why is fox news “angry” yet i’m sure feeds full of aoc and black lives matter would be considered woke. Biased article. The anger is very prevalent with both sides.
"Angry" is the facebook reaction. Dividing the world into two "sides" isn't good for us. I don't think the world of political discourse is really divided into two "sides" as you imply, despite that being useful for media that make money from making people angry.
I agree with GP, as someone with no clear cut political ideology, it’s obvious that wedge issues are formed and selected to fit divisions.
See no further than almost every establishment Democrat having talked about border security for years, even building a wall in comments, now voting against anything border related because “their side” has adopted that Trump wants border security so they must be fully against it. [0]
[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gISMNv3qm8M&app=desktop (just picked a “Democrat for Wall” result, my personal opinions on that completely aside. You could pick any wedge issue and find a more reasonable time for it)
Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this is the tweet: https://twitter.com/RogueNotary/status/1101179117574279168 BTW, I think it is not unreasonable to expect that different models of funding or engagement are differently represented on the left and right sides of politics. Contrary to certain views, the left and the right are not two equal, symmetric, graceful wings of a bird, keeping society in balance: they're two different worldviews and s…
That reminds me of how maps can distort information about populations because one side tends to live in smaller high-density urban centers while the other has a much lower density over a larger land area.
Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I understand the economics of course but it seems obvious to me that if real newspapers charge then propaganda and anger porn will rule discourse. If you want some more on the list for balance there are plenty of left wing Breitbarts you could add. Those are free too. BTW I think fear porn / anger porn is an appropriate term. It releases brain chemicals that can be addictive just like sex porn. This explains some of…
There are left wing Breitbarts just like there's MSNBC for TV. The issue then becomes why these are far less popular. Its not because of a FB algorithm - that's for certain. I can ask everyone in my family if they've heard of Breitbart and 99% will say yes. If I ask if they've heard of Rachael Maddow.. maybe 40%? This is despite both of them engaging heavily in anger porn
Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed
#60Fox News dominates ratings on TV so its not surprising they'd be #1 - there's also the fact this is "engagements" and not click-throughs. I'd wager good 15% of these are probably people clicking "Angry" not actually engaging. If you look at "content with the most shares" not surprisingly Reuters and Patch tops the list. OP's headline presumes any algorithm should achieve left/right balance - this is just impossible.…