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Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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I wish it could be made illegal to optimise for engagement. “Engagement” their acceptable replacement word for what they really want to optimise for: Addiction.

It’s such a slippery slope, but you’re so right. Chemists designed a chemical that’s optimized for engagement too — it’s called heroin! On the other side, one could argue that just about any successful product or service, by definition, optimized for engagement (addiction). Hit TV shows, beautiful vacation spots, sex. So where do you draw the line?

Actually heroin was initially sold as a less addictive alternative to morphine.

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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If you're wondering how articles like "Woman smears menstrual blood on face to show periods are beautiful and powerful" are motivated and end up getting amplified, look no further than The Toxoplasma Of Rage (Slate Star Codex)

http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/the-toxoplasma-of-rage/

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"So there’s a tradeoff here, with X on one side and Y on the other.

X can get everyone to agree in principle that Q is bad, but no one will pay any attention to it.

And Y can get everyone to pay attention to Q, but a lot of people who would otherwise oppose it will switch to supporting it just because they’re so mad at the way it’s being publicized.

At least Y got them to pay attention! They’re traveling up an incentive gradient that rewards them for doing so, even if it destroys their credibility."

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"People talk about the shift from old print-based journalism to the new world of social media and the sites adapted to serve it. These are fast, responsive, and only just beginning to discover the power of controversy. They are memetic evolution shot into hyperdrive, and the omega point is a well-tuned machine optimized to search the world for the most controversial and counterproductive issues, then make sure no one can talk about anything else. An engine that creates money by burning the few remaining shreds of cooperation, bipartisanship and social trust."

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are left wing Breitbarts just like there's MSNBC for TV. The issue then becomes why these are far less popular. Its not because of a FB algorithm - that's for certain. I can ask everyone in my family if they've heard of Breitbart and 99% will say yes. If I ask if they've heard of Rachael Maddow.. maybe 40%? This is despite both of them engaging heavily in anger porn

That's not really a valid comparison. Rachel Maddow is an anchor on MSNBC, which my guess is everyone has heard of. I know what Breitbart is but I don't know any of their writers by name.

Also, Rachel Maddow is probably the best example on air of non-fear-based programming. She usually spends the first 10 or so minutes of her show putting the forthcoming topic in historical context, and then proceeds with a rational, calm, and thoughtful examination of the topic. This oftentimes involves verbatim reading of court transcripts for 20 minutes. The majority of her show is a fixed camera on her with a static background graphic behind her. The rest of her show proceeds with interviews of a single guest with relevant topical experience (prosecutors, congresspeople, attorneys etc.) It's what you'd expect from a Rhodes Scholar and Oxford Ph.D. I never leave her program feeling angry, only ever informed.

Contrast this with Fox News, where the last time I tuned in to that channel 3 angry people were screaming across a table at each other about how liberals are going to outlaw hamburgers. The camera is flying around like a sportscast, and there's graphics and animations blaring in the background. The people in the room seem to have no relevant credentials as to the topic at hand. Are there any environmental experts at the table? Food science experts? No, there's just "political analysts" and "strategists".

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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Fox news is the new 700 club. It's a steady diet of comfort food.

Funny dog videos are “comfort food”. Fox News is hate porn.

Fox runs approx ~50% negative content on Trump. MSNBC run 92%+ negative [0] [1] [2]

If your view of Fox News was largely based from 2008 and The Daily Show - How could you know?

With a blanket statement like “Fox News is hate porn” you clearly aren’t seeking alternative viewpoints. This isn’t even getting into that you are lumping Fox NEWS and Fox News Channel Opinion Shows together which isn’t unfair to do so long as you do the same with CNN and MSNBC alike).

[0] https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/media-trump-ha...

[1] https://www.npr.org/2017/10/02/555092743/study-news-coverage...

[2] https://www.chicagotribune.com/g00/news/columnists/kass/ct-t...

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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post #3

Long time ago, my facebook newsfeed was full of my friends' sharing, it's been very useful place for us to keep friends update. But now, it's a different place. It's a place for ads, for livestream, for real "social" stuffs, but most of them is useless to me for what i use facebook for.

That’s interesting, my news feed these days is almost 100% free of any news.

Only really big topics make it through like the New Zealand shooting.

Have you tried curating your feed by unfollowing pages, groups, people who share things you don’t like?

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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Angry? It makes you angry but that doesn't mean it's angry. Just like hate speech that causes you to hate but isn't necessarily motivated by hatred.

Read the article. "Angry" in this context is the Facebook reaction (such as the "like").

You are right, but that metric is even more meaningless.

Fox New Headline ”Immigration crisis confirmed as 70,000 illegals pass into USA in Feburary - CBP”

Guess what? People on the left and right both ‘ANGRY’ that for different reasons.

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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post #26

why is fox news “angry” yet i’m sure feeds full of aoc and black lives matter would be considered woke. Biased article. The anger is very prevalent with both sides.

"Angry" is the facebook reaction. Dividing the world into two "sides" isn't good for us. I don't think the world of political discourse is really divided into two "sides" as you imply, despite that being useful for media that make money from making people angry.

I’m open minded to what you are saying - but if you don’t think there are “sides” or at least someone has a strong interest in promoting that idea - it may because you are too firmly planted in one side yourself.

I agree with GP, as someone with no clear cut political ideology, it’s obvious that wedge issues are formed and selected to fit divisions.

See no further than almost every establishment Democrat having talked about border security for years, even building a wall in comments, now voting against anything border related because “their side” has adopted that Trump wants border security so they must be fully against it. [0]

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gISMNv3qm8M&app=desktop (just picked a “Democrat for Wall” result, my personal opinions on that completely aside. You could pick any wedge issue and find a more reasonable time for it)

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is the tweet: https://twitter.com/RogueNotary/status/1101179117574279168 BTW, I think it is not unreasonable to expect that different models of funding or engagement are differently represented on the left and right sides of politics. Contrary to certain views, the left and the right are not two equal, symmetric, graceful wings of a bird, keeping society in balance: they're two different worldviews and s…

That reminds me of how maps can distort information about populations because one side tends to live in smaller high-density urban centers while the other has a much lower density over a larger land area.

https://xkcd.com/1138/

Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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post #33
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand the economics of course but it seems obvious to me that if real newspapers charge then propaganda and anger porn will rule discourse. If you want some more on the list for balance there are plenty of left wing Breitbarts you could add. Those are free too. BTW I think fear porn / anger porn is an appropriate term. It releases brain chemicals that can be addictive just like sex porn. This explains some of…

There are left wing Breitbarts just like there's MSNBC for TV. The issue then becomes why these are far less popular. Its not because of a FB algorithm - that's for certain. I can ask everyone in my family if they've heard of Breitbart and 99% will say yes. If I ask if they've heard of Rachael Maddow.. maybe 40%? This is despite both of them engaging heavily in anger porn

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Re: Facebook’s algorithm change has spurred an angry, Fox News-dominated News Feed

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post #11

Fox News dominates ratings on TV so its not surprising they'd be #1 - there's also the fact this is "engagements" and not click-throughs. I'd wager good 15% of these are probably people clicking "Angry" not actually engaging. If you look at "content with the most shares" not surprisingly Reuters and Patch tops the list. OP's headline presumes any algorithm should achieve left/right balance - this is just impossible.…

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