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Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

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Post by Veen »

smooke wrote: post #94
Veen wrote: post #23

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The issue is that there is no “part of Hackernoon”. There’s just Medium. Hackernoon used Medium as a publishing platform, but really they’re just a grouping of Medium content with no special ownership or rights over the content. An unfortunate position for a publisher to be in.

The key here is that hacker noon publishes exclusively on hackernoon.com, and the majority of our contributors have agreed to continuing doing so.

“Hackernoon.com” is a domain. Nothing is published on a domain. It’s published on a server or platform the domain points to. In the case of Hackernoon, that platform was Medium. Medium is the publisher, the hackernoon editors were doing unpaid work for Medium.

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

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Post by mst »

smooke wrote: post #105
tonystubblebine wrote: post #103

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Isn't a big part of the reputation of the medium.com domain here on HN the fault of the HN community? Why are we posting and upvoting so many crummy articles? I'm pretty sure custom domains aren't coming back. We're on a custom domain and I'm dying to get rid of it because I think it makes it look like Better Humans is a content marketing initiative for Coach.me (domain is betterhumans.coach.me). However, I would lik…

What do you know about the way we publish? David from Hacker Noon here --- Most stories on Hacker Noon are not published by me, they are published by one of these four other editors https://hackernoon.com/meet-the-new-hacker-noon-editors-b375... Every Hacker Noon story is reviewed by editor. On sites where anyone can publish, I'd guess less than 10% of stories are reviewed by an editor... but who knows? I heard 7 of…

I'd note that from the links that have trended on HN, Hacker Noon is, for me, now categorised basically under "assume shallow clickbait, don't bother".

And, honestly, "Blockchain Empowering Women Around the World" as the article you chose to mention here isn't doing anything to change that categorisation - the title is clickbait, and the content shallow to the point where it reminded me of the output of SEO content mills more than anything else. I read the article hoping to provide a more nuanced critique, but there really wasn't any there there to critique, and that's precisely what makes me default to skipping any hacker noon link based on the repeatedly validated expectation it'll be a waste of my time.

I'd also note that the passive-aggressive-smugness of your comment does you and your brand no favours either, but on the other hand if somebody'd just attacked my baby I could easily see myself making an even worse mess of it ... but perhaps you might want to consider that, given it's personal for you, your public comments could possibly also do with some active editing.

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

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Post by smooke »

mst wrote: post #112
smooke wrote: post #105

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What do you know about the way we publish? David from Hacker Noon here --- Most stories on Hacker Noon are not published by me, they are published by one of these four other editors https://hackernoon.com/meet-the-new-hacker-noon-editors-b375... Every Hacker Noon story is reviewed by editor. On sites where anyone can publish, I'd guess less than 10% of stories are reviewed by an editor... but who knows? I heard 7 of…

I'd note that from the links that have trended on HN, Hacker Noon is, for me, now categorised basically under "assume shallow clickbait, don't bother". And, honestly, "Blockchain Empowering Women Around the World" as the article you chose to mention here isn't doing anything to change that categorisation - the title is clickbait, and the content shallow to the point where it reminded me of the output of SEO content m…

You my friend have some truth. The thing I made was attacked, and I made the comment they wanted me to make.

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

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Post by smooke »

tonystubblebine wrote: post #108
smooke wrote: post #105

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What do you know about the way we publish? David from Hacker Noon here --- Most stories on Hacker Noon are not published by me, they are published by one of these four other editors https://hackernoon.com/meet-the-new-hacker-noon-editors-b375... Every Hacker Noon story is reviewed by editor. On sites where anyone can publish, I'd guess less than 10% of stories are reviewed by an editor... but who knows? I heard 7 of…

That Schleiss article makes exactly the point I'm trying to make to you. For a publication of your size 375 claps is a dud (that article is using data from when Medium's algorithm's would have been working in your favor). 75% of your articles are completely failing to get traction. The job your editors should be doing is quality control. They should be filtering what you publish way down. And your job as the publishe…

We do need to improve quality control. Having software designed for multiple editors instead of one un-filterable feed of many submissions for so multiple editors will help tremendously.

But claps aren't an accurate measure of quality or traffic. Sometimes they display and sometimes they don't. Is 375 from 8 people or 375 people? It's designed to blur the line.

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

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Post by smooke »

mercer wrote: post #107
smooke wrote: post #100

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Hey Tony for the equity crowdfunding campaign we were vetted by 3rd party accountants and 3rd party lawyers. We published hundreds of pages of information will full financials and risks. You can find it here: https://www.startengine.com/hackernoon Interesting that you think I raise money dishonestly, while Equity Crowdfunding is the only form of funding that publicly discloses all kinds of information for EVERYONE, n…

I gotta say this entire HN thread leaves me with a negative impression of both 'David from Hacker Noon' and 'Tony from Medium'. More the latter than the former, but honestly I can't tell. Mostly I'm left thinking the 'drama' in here is entirely befitting the general quality of both properties. I generally find Medium and Hacker Noon links to be somewhat underwhelming whenever they're posted to this here HN.

Thanks for the honesty Mercer, looking forward to moving past this and just focusing on making my site better.

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

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Post by smooke »

SilasX wrote: post #25
heyyyouu wrote: post #9

I don't know why they wouldn't have done their own Website to start with. It's not hard, at all. This arrangement put way, way too much power into a partner's hand. Also not clarifying rights before you publish something is just a seriously rookie move. Rule of thumb is that nothing gets published until you have the author rights agreement signed.

“We’re just not all that good with webserver config, or coding, or tinkering, or...” ‘Aren’t y’all hackers?’ Reminds me of Bojack Horseman: “Sorry, I’m just not suited for these therapy sessions. I’m not good at using words to express conditions or emotions.” ‘Aren’t you a professional writer?’

hahaha

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

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Post by smooke »

yangustin wrote: post #104

I actually don't understand the big fuss. Hackernoon was a publication on Medium. They asked writers for opt-in to republish content. Some writers were confused. Medium sent an email clarifying writers right. Writers can decide whether to give consent or not - all good. The only problem I have is with the language Medium used: "moving content." If Medium is indeed the platform, publications should NOT have the abilit…

It's about keeping content on the URL it is currently on.

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

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Post by smooke »

rchaud wrote: post #63
jondubois wrote: post #45

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I wrote several software development articles for Hacker Noon on Medium and I was able to accumulate a decent number of followers. I feel that Hacker Noon contributed the most value in terms of reaching the right users. Medium just capitalizes preexisting network effects and adds no real value.

If that's the case, why didn't they just start off with hackernoon.com? They chose to host on Medium because that's where they thought they'd reach the biggest audience.

ah looking back on what could have been... when medium started it did have much simpler experience than wordpress for managing the day to day of the site and its contributors.

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

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Post by jayzalowitz »

smooke wrote: post #97
libria wrote: post #19

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Precisely what a HackerNews bot would say...

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Pats david on the head sure you are buddy.
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