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Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

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Post by pnw_hazor »

owenwil wrote: post #29

I posted this thing on Twitter, but just to be clear about what's going on here: they've replied and said their terms of service were not really intended to be harsh, they don't want your content, and that they'll revise them ( https://twitter.com/ow/status/1105462220517969920 ). One day when Twitter actually implements tweet editing, these types of threads can start with a bit more clarity. That said: Medium, as an…

I finally black listed (blocksite'd) medium because of their UI. Black listing helps me remember not to click on attractive/interesting links to medium hosted articles.

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

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Post by tonystubblebine »

browniefed wrote: post #28

HackerNoon is a bit of a scam. They started by requesting hundreds of people post on their publication through a Medium feature that has since been removed. They would take sponsorships, and have made some significant cash built on the back of people publishing their content on HackerNoon for mediocre exposure. HackerNoon broke a lot of stuff laid out in the TOS. There is a big battle going on with the whole Medium +…

IMO, Hacker Noon's scam went completely over the top when they tried to raise investment money from their readers. A huge headline in their prospectus was getting 8M page views per month. But there was no discussion of this obvious risk, which is that they don't own the copy right to most of their work. So the new site is going to be getting much less than 8M views.

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

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Post by rchaud »

jondubois wrote: post #45
owenwil wrote: post #29

I posted this thing on Twitter, but just to be clear about what's going on here: they've replied and said their terms of service were not really intended to be harsh, they don't want your content, and that they'll revise them ( https://twitter.com/ow/status/1105462220517969920 ). One day when Twitter actually implements tweet editing, these types of threads can start with a bit more clarity. That said: Medium, as an…

I wrote several software development articles for Hacker Noon on Medium and I was able to accumulate a decent number of followers. I feel that Hacker Noon contributed the most value in terms of reaching the right users. Medium just capitalizes preexisting network effects and adds no real value.

If that's the case, why didn't they just start off with hackernoon.com? They chose to host on Medium because that's where they thought they'd reach the biggest audience.

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

briandoll wrote: post #20

For anyone else trying to move off Medium - it's more complicated than it sounds (there is no single chronological index of your content, for example) - we wrote up some tips and tools we used recently: https://www.reifyworks.com/writing/2019-02-27-some-tips-on-m...

Buried in the settings somewhere is a zipball of all of your content you can download. I wrote a tool you can feed it to which generates a Jekyll blog for you:

https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/unmediumify

Note: don't do what briandoll did and skip the Google Analytics, please.

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

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Post by EamonnMR »

macspoofing wrote: post #54
nickjj wrote: post #43

For anyone thinking about publishing anything on Medium, here's a little story: Since day 1 I self hosted my blog, starting about 3.5 years ago. About a year ago I read about how much of an SEO boost and new eyes I would get by re-publishing my articles on Medium (with canonical URLs pointing back to my site) and it sounded good on paper. Medium is essentially a marketplace for blogs and can act as a way to promote y…

This comes up every-time YouTube tweaks their algorithm and some YouTubers lose some number of views. It always seems like creators expect the platform to drive traffic to their blog/channel/creative work/etc. when in reality the creator is ultimately responsible for doing the legwork of marketing.

I think what the platform offers isn't so much advertising as the veneer of legitimacy you get from users seeing a familiar layout.

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

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Post by rchaud »

smooke wrote: post #60
danols wrote: post #53

Medium will be a better place without Hackernoon's clickbaity & shallow articles. That being said, Medium has broken its platform with the aggressive roll out of premium. I guess it depends on which categories you are interested in but for knowledgeable and in-depth tech articles the best articles are not written by authors looking to earn a couple of dollars as a side gig. They are written by people that wants to cr…

Hey Danols, David from Hacker Noon here. Publishing is a hard business. While I don't agree with everything you said, I do like you believe that the best stuff to read is from the expert themselves. Sometimes the articles we publish are too shallow (we will work to improve quality), and other times we're able to achieve a better place to read (by publishing top tech professionals https://hackernoon.com/archive/ ).

Hi David,

The link you posted, when sorted by 'Latest', becomes a pretty damning indictment of what HackerNoon today appears to be, which is a low-grade content mill masked by a few really great, impactful articles. Most of the content however wouldn't be out of place at Huffington Post or Forbes.com.

* "3 Programming Languages to learn in 2019"

* "12 JS Concepts that will Level up Your skills"

* "6 things to know when self-studying Machine Learning"

This is the worst kind of SEO keyword stuffing you expect to see from bloggers on LinkedIn, not a reputable publication. Just my 2 cents. I hope you are able to clean up the shallow content, but it doesn't seem like a very deep pool to begin with.

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

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Post by PascLeRasc »

JeremyBanks wrote: post #39

HackerNoon has consistently published bad-faith clickbait garbage and slander. Assume that their description here is similarly misleading.

I agree. Just last week on HN(ews) someone asked what the most popular Medium blog was and I was about to say HackerNoon just from seeing it everywhere, but when I went to their site it was all low-quality articles about putting your Tesla on the blockchain.

Re: “HackerNoon is leaving Medium, but also trying to take rights for people's work”

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Post by EamonnMR »

fareesh wrote: post #34

Apart from the infrastructure and application, what benefits does Medium provide? Is it the discovery of your content via the links at the bottom? Is that considered the killer feature? Is there some kind of solution that exists where self-hosted bloggers can send traffic to each other, like the link sharing networks of the old days?

I think that some subset of users just won't engage with any content that isn't on a platform they already know, or appears to be on a shiny new platform of some kind.

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Post by Freak_NL »

lukewrites wrote: post #42
mattnewport wrote: post #37

I don't know what Medium is like for writers but it certainly doesn't feel like a better model for me as a reader. I'm reluctant to click on links to Medium on HN at this point because of their incessant nagging and popups for me to register.

No, Medium, let's not make it official.

When someone wants to make it official, I expect them to want to marry, sue, hire, or fuck me. None of these is what I expect to be offered when reading a blog.

I don't know why the wording of that message irritates me so much, but I can't imagine many people would appreciate it.

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