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Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group

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Re: Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group

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Why are all the articles about Beto about how cool and antiestablishment he is? Just absolutely nothing about what he really intends to do, how he intends to do it, and most importantly, how do we reconcile his conservative voting record with this contrary image he presents?

It's part of his PR campaign. His political team and the PR firms he hired probably did a lot of research and polling and decided this was a great way to appeal to younger voters.

Politics is all about image and appeal. And it's not just Beto. Every politician from Trump to Beto plays this game. People vote on their image of you rather than who you really are. I think Black Mirror had a great episode on how image and messaging defines a political campaign.

Re: Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group

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post #202

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I don't at all agree. The DNC had a system to allow rigging, and I'd willing to bet my lunch they still do. If they had a system of rigging - why do you think they would give that up what would their incentive be to do that? They didn't want Bernie then, they don't now, it's the same people in the organization. But... Because neither of us can possibly prove it. I guess we'll just wait and see. I believe they just wo…

What "system" did the DNC have to allow "rigging"? How did it work? Who operated it? What evidence is there that it existed, much less that it was used?

Here is enough background information [0] [1] [2] [3] quoted directly from people involved that should get you started. Unless Warren, Brazile, DWS and others are all wrong with their statements about it.

[0] https://www.foxnews.com/politics/donna-brazile-i-found-proof...

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/elizabeth-warren-dnc...

[2] https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-b...

[3] https://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-proves-primary-was-ri...

Re: Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group

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post #310

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Cruz is only unlikable in the liberal bubble, most Texans approve of him and he still only won by < 3 in a state Trump won by 9 and Romney won by 15.

> he still only won by won by 9 and Romney won by 15 Now read that again and tell me where it contradicts my point.

It says more about the changing coalitions than anything else because Democrats lost the congressional ballot in Texas by a little over 3 without Ted Cruz in every district.

Re: Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group

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It was both a book and a series of tfiles. Most HPAV boards had copies. They would not have come close to filling a floppy.

To be fair, we had not and have not stipulated what we mean when we say "floppy". Maybe you were a rich kid but a lot of us were still on some pretty low density stuff into the late 80's. Embarrassingly, I was still on cassette for most of the decade.

There is no PC, Mac, or Amiga floppy drive that could not have held the tfile Anarchist's Cookbook (the tfile cookbook is not the same as the book, which fits easily on a single-density 3.5 but not on a 5.25).

Re: Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group

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post #73

Why are all the articles about Beto about how cool and antiestablishment he is? Just absolutely nothing about what he really intends to do, how he intends to do it, and most importantly, how do we reconcile his conservative voting record with this contrary image he presents?

Because Trump mainly won for being anti-establishment. The Dems hope to get those voters for their next candidate. It's a decent play, because Hillary was definitely establishment.

Re: Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group

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post #340

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To be fair, we had not and have not stipulated what we mean when we say "floppy". Maybe you were a rich kid but a lot of us were still on some pretty low density stuff into the late 80's. Embarrassingly, I was still on cassette for most of the decade.

There is no PC, Mac, or Amiga floppy drive that could not have held the tfile Anarchist's Cookbook (the tfile cookbook is not the same as the book, which fits easily on a single-density 3.5 but not on a 5.25).

Anyways, Beto will always be a wizard in my book.

Re: Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group

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post #186

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I think "TacoLand" has a meaning that could be awkward. The food can be a metaphor for genitalia or for the attached humans. For example a tacofest, much like a sausagefest, is a gathering in which one sex is greatly overrepresented compared to the other. Meat goes in a taco. So, one can guess what was featured on his BBS.

You can look up his textfiles if you want to see what was on the BBS.

He wrote this:

https://web.archive.org/web/20041214030544/http://www.cultde...

That at least somewhat supports my interpretation. I was thinking more along the lines of image files.

Re: Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group

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post #268

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The meaning of the word has changed somewhat; it was mostly about curiosity and exploration in the 80s/90s. Less of the economy was reliant on computers so there wasn't much crime to commit beyond mere unauthorized access. Heck, "2600: The Hacker Quarterly" could be found on the magazine rack at Barnes & Noble back then.

That is not the meaning of "hacker" that attaches to security hackers and the EFnet #hack scene. (I was a part of that scene as well).

Largely regardless of ones definition of a hacker it was a subculture in the '80s, '90s and even early '00s. Because of the scarcity of information and resources there was motivation to organize, form groups and publish things in a way that you don't have today. A hacker was therefor at the time (regardless of the underlying activity) largely defined as someone who took part in hacker culture. In that sense it was about curiosity and exploration. You are trying to learn things that aren't readily available or necessarily considered worthwhile.

Once the Internet became widely available there wasn't the same need for a culture to being able to do that (at least in theory). Who is considered a hacker therefor changes from people engaged in hacker culture to people who for example do information security. You can to some extent go to university, never talk to anyone and come out of there being considered a hacker. While previously being a hacker would be quite distinct from academia (though there would of course be overlap among people). As the point was that you were doing something different from what was already established. Whether that was coding, security or community.

I wouldn't personally judge someone who was consider a nefarious hacker when hackers were more of a subculture, as most of the activities would be considered relatively mundane today and there motivations often benign. I would judge someone for running a dark market, distributing malware or even just run an unethical data business today however.

As a further tangent, I do think it is curious how most people (myself included) thought that the plot of the movie "Hackers" was a bit ridiculous. But then 20 years later Maersk gets hit by ransomware.

Re: Beto O'Rourke's membership in America's oldest hacking group

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There's another side of that "hacking was a bit of a problem in 2016" - namely that tech savvy politicians are in short supply[1]. Associating Beto with a well known hacker group boosts his credibility wrt tech. [1] particularly when combined with tonedeaf and heavy handed legislation/regulation about the internet.

This will be an interesting conversation (tech savvy vs tech dumb) to play out this round. The current president argued during his campaign that the problems with the country arose from "bad deals" and his experience and expertise at "deal making" was the solution to this problem. Beto might argue during his campaign that the problems with the country arise from unacknowledged cyber warfare in both social media and v…

We already have a "Cyber force", offensive operations legally fall under the overview of the D.o.D (Cyber Command & the NSA components (TAO)).
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