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Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by wolfgke »

SEJeff wrote: post #39
frotak wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Western governments have historically been allied with and have had intelligence sharing and cooperation arrangements with the U.S. There is a general alignment of Western intelligence agencies as a cooperative group against the antagonism of China (and Russia, NK, etc) It isn't just "everybody spies" - it's "we are actively engaged in an adversarial relationship together against this other group"

In addition, there is a "special" arrangement between 5 western allies called the "five eyes"[1]. Between the five partners, they cover internet backbone infra for much of the world. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

Germany is not part of the Five Eyes alliance.

Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by ardy42 »

jamesrcole wrote: post #34
ElBarto wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My comment was crystal clear. It is as plain a reference to American influence as can be, nothing more.

It is literally meaningless to me. I have no idea what it is trying to convey.

It's innuendo implying that the Germans are nothing but American running dogs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_dog

Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by wolfgke »

cronix wrote: post #31
onetimemanytime wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More or less USA and Germany both want democracy, albeit with their local flavor. Free trade, human rights etc. If US spies (and gets its way), Germany might get their execs jailed for corruption or might lose a bid for, say, airplane engines. If China / Russia spy and get their way...we know what would happen.

What happened after it was known that the NSA had tapped Merkels phone? Nada.

> What happened after it was known that the NSA had tapped Merkels phone? Nada.

For understanding Germany, you always have to keep in mind that there is a deep ditch between the "political interests" of the government and the "political interests" of many citizens (that is also the reason why you will harly hear any German citizens speaking of "unsere Regierung" (our government), but of "die Regierung" (the government)).

The government is rather attached to the USA (that is why of course nothing happened after the NSA tapped Merkel's phone), while many citizens are deeply sceptical of it, be it for

- industrial espionage that was done on Enercon by the USA (see https://www.windpowermonthly.com/article/960011/trans-atlant...)

- very different beliefs on data privacy

- the Snowden leaks

- Donald Trump

- ...

Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by ElBarto »

ardy42 wrote: post #42
jamesrcole wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is literally meaningless to me. I have no idea what it is trying to convey.

It's innuendo implying that the Germans are nothing but American running dogs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_dog

There's no innuendo in my comment and the use of the term "running dog" is all yours, not mine.

America's influence over Germany is public and not covert. I could say exactly the same about Japan, for example.

Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by ardy42 »

lustysocietyorg wrote: post #28
martin_a wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't understand the downvotes, this is what this is all about. It's not about Huawei being more or less trustworthy than the others, it's just about the US (three-letter agencies) "not liking" Huawei.

This is HN. Like reddit. Certain opinions or facts are downvoted without any contradicting facts. Now matter how reasonable the opinion or true the fact is. Especially regarding politics and nutrition. If your comment matches a certain pattern, you get downvoted or upvoted by certain people who never give any facts but who might insult you instead. PS https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u...

> Certain opinions or facts are downvoted without any contradicting facts. Now matter how reasonable the opinion or true the fact is.

Not really in this case. Take the comment in question: there's no fact or even much opinion there. It's mostly innuendo. Good moderators will downvote trollish comments, or flamebait, or comments that lead in other unproductive or uninteresting directions, regardless of the "opinions or facts" it contains.

Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by ardy42 »

cyphunk wrote: post #20
ThJ wrote: post #17

Huawei is an interesting case. It normally isn't a problem to operate out of a country like China, but telecommunications infrastructure is sensitive. We are essentially seeing a rare case of differences in political systems having real-world effects on the export of goods. If China had the same relationship to the West as today, but stronger legal protections, this wouldn't be an issue at all, I suspect.

also if in the future we actually make cellular standards where encryption isn't demarcated at the tower and instead setup e2e between consumer devices, some risks are mitigated it's really a shame that with both 4g and 5g standards bodies did not already work on this.

> instead setup e2e between consumer devices, some risks are mitigated

Only some, though. The metadata will still be there to be collected, which I understand is more valuable than you'd assume on first glance.

Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by ElBarto »

ardy42 wrote: post #45
lustysocietyorg wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is HN. Like reddit. Certain opinions or facts are downvoted without any contradicting facts. Now matter how reasonable the opinion or true the fact is. Especially regarding politics and nutrition. If your comment matches a certain pattern, you get downvoted or upvoted by certain people who never give any facts but who might insult you instead. PS https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u...

> Certain opinions or facts are downvoted without any contradicting facts. Now matter how reasonable the opinion or true the fact is. Not really in this case. Take the comment in question: there's no fact or even much opinion there. It's mostly innuendo. Good moderators will downvote trollish comments, or flamebait, or comments that lead in other unproductive or uninteresting directions, regardless of the "opinions o…

You are proving his point by being so dishonest and insulting me, and downvoting everything.

And you guys are the ones taking things in unproductive directions by refusing to address or discuss the point of my initial comment (and you even go as far as pretending not to understand the point or to misrepresent it), which is American influence over its allies.

Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by craftyguy »

wolfgke wrote: post #41
SEJeff wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In addition, there is a "special" arrangement between 5 western allies called the "five eyes"[1]. Between the five partners, they cover internet backbone infra for much of the world. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

Germany is not part of the Five Eyes alliance.

They never claimed Germany was. The wiki link in GP doesn't list Germany as being a part of the five eyes.

Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by tgragnato »

wolfgke wrote: post #41
SEJeff wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In addition, there is a "special" arrangement between 5 western allies called the "five eyes"[1]. Between the five partners, they cover internet backbone infra for much of the world. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

Germany is not part of the Five Eyes alliance.

Nevertheless Germany is in CFBLNet, NATO, the 14 and in the Berne club...
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