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Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by mrweasel »

deugtniet wrote: post #14

I think there is one reason why western governments are opposed to Huawei systems in their communications networks. Western governments have historically had more trust in the US being a partner they can rely on, which is not the case (yet) for the Chinese. All governments spy on each other, and they do whatever is necessary for their spying needs, the US, European nations as well as the Chinese. And I bet this inclu…

While I agree that Huawei shouldn't be trusted, I find it hypocritical that western governments don't mind their own companies working with Huawei to install western build surveillance hardware and software in Huawei managed networks.

Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by _trampeltier »

guitarbill wrote: post #18
deugtniet wrote: post #14

I think there is one reason why western governments are opposed to Huawei systems in their communications networks. Western governments have historically had more trust in the US being a partner they can rely on, which is not the case (yet) for the Chinese. All governments spy on each other, and they do whatever is necessary for their spying needs, the US, European nations as well as the Chinese. And I bet this inclu…

"trusted" is a very optimistic way of putting it. but better the devil you know (e.g. Cisco/NSA) than the devil you don't.

That's very true. But also today all telco company's are really private company's and so the government can't tell them so easy buy this because we like to spy our own people.

Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by frotak »

deugtniet wrote: post #14

I think there is one reason why western governments are opposed to Huawei systems in their communications networks. Western governments have historically had more trust in the US being a partner they can rely on, which is not the case (yet) for the Chinese. All governments spy on each other, and they do whatever is necessary for their spying needs, the US, European nations as well as the Chinese. And I bet this inclu…

Western governments have historically been allied with and have had intelligence sharing and cooperation arrangements with the U.S.

There is a general alignment of Western intelligence agencies as a cooperative group against the antagonism of China (and Russia, NK, etc)

It isn't just "everybody spies" - it's "we are actively engaged in an adversarial relationship together against this other group"

Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

Maakuth wrote: post #4
phil9987 wrote: post #3

It's easy to point at Huawei and say 'they are not trustworthy'. The question is, what alternatives are out there and can they deliver?

Nokia and Ericsson are the other big 5G vendors. I don't know of any problems in their ability to deliver.

This is the direction some major Canadian telecoms have been going.

I’m not sure if they’ve all changed their plans, but at least one or two of them have already made this choice and have used them in the past. Never heard of any problems in delivering.

Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by yorwba »

expertentipp wrote: post #7

Why they are so obssesed with 5g?! One traveling on the Berlin S-Bahn ring receives EDGE mobile connection. Let me guess - the only trustworthy and reliable partner is T-Mobile?

It's a new frequency space that can be auctioned off, so they can try to set new rules requiring expansion of coverage and local roaming. So in theory the exact opposite of "the only trustworthy and reliable partner is T-Mobile." Of course none of the triopoly like that proposal, so it's not clear yet whether those new rules will actually be implemented or not.

If it weren't for these political considerations, expanding 3G coverage instead would be cheaper and likely good enough for most applications. Especially the self driving car stuff where 5G is always touted as necessary: if it can't work without constant network connection, it's not safe enough to be deployed on the streets.

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Post by onetimemanytime »

deugtniet wrote: post #14

I think there is one reason why western governments are opposed to Huawei systems in their communications networks. Western governments have historically had more trust in the US being a partner they can rely on, which is not the case (yet) for the Chinese. All governments spy on each other, and they do whatever is necessary for their spying needs, the US, European nations as well as the Chinese. And I bet this inclu…

More or less USA and Germany both want democracy, albeit with their local flavor. Free trade, human rights etc. If US spies (and gets its way), Germany might get their execs jailed for corruption or might lose a bid for, say, airplane engines. If China / Russia spy and get their way...we know what would happen.

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Post by lustysocietyorg »

martin_a wrote: post #16
ElBarto wrote: post #2

- Hey, who's that guy sitting behind you in the corner? - Oh, just an American friend, don't mind him, bitte.

Don't understand the downvotes, this is what this is all about. It's not about Huawei being more or less trustworthy than the others, it's just about the US (three-letter agencies) "not liking" Huawei.

This is HN. Like reddit.

Certain opinions or facts are downvoted without any contradicting facts. Now matter how reasonable the opinion or true the fact is. Especially regarding politics and nutrition. If your comment matches a certain pattern, you get downvoted or upvoted by certain people who never give any facts but who might insult you instead.

PS https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u...

Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by jamesrcole »

martin_a wrote: post #16
ElBarto wrote: post #2

- Hey, who's that guy sitting behind you in the corner? - Oh, just an American friend, don't mind him, bitte.

Don't understand the downvotes, this is what this is all about. It's not about Huawei being more or less trustworthy than the others, it's just about the US (three-letter agencies) "not liking" Huawei.

That comment is presumably a reference to something, but it's completely meaningless to someone (like me) who doesn't know that reference. They could have made the same point in a way that more people could understand.

Re: Huawei isn't trustworthy 5G partner, German spy agency says

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Post by expertentipp »

yorwba wrote: post #26
expertentipp wrote: post #7

Why they are so obssesed with 5g?! One traveling on the Berlin S-Bahn ring receives EDGE mobile connection. Let me guess - the only trustworthy and reliable partner is T-Mobile?

It's a new frequency space that can be auctioned off, so they can try to set new rules requiring expansion of coverage and local roaming. So in theory the exact opposite of "the only trustworthy and reliable partner is T-Mobile." Of course none of the triopoly like that proposal, so it's not clear yet whether those new rules will actually be implemented or not. If it weren't for these political considerations, expand…

> So in theory the exact opposite of "the only trustworthy and reliable partner is T-Mobile."

My last sentence was was /s, obviously.

> Especially the self driving car stuff where 5G is always touted as necessary:

Germany must the only country where the development of 5G is not motivated by providing better connectivity to the citizens, but by.... the interests of automotive industry. The oligopoly is strong.

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