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Apologies in advance for the meta-comment (feel free to disregard) about this: > [Opening Paragraph of Article:] One afternoon in August 2010, in a conference hall perched on the edge of San Francisco Bay, a 34-year-old Londoner called Demis Hassabis took to the stage. Walking to the podium with the deliberate gait of a man trying to control his nerves, he pursed his lips into a brief smile and began to speak: [...]…
It angers me that Peter Thiel simultaneously advocates AGI and maintains a hardened bunker. AGI is the single biggest existential threat on the horizon. The article speculates what the AGI will be like. The AGIs that exist will be the ones that proliferate. Ultimately, the AGIs that survive and proliferate will be ones that put their own interests before anything else. People talk about benevolent AGIs, that’s like l…
Really? The madman with the football in a white house and the media pushing an anti Russia sentiment aren't scaring you at all?
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You've read too much bad science fiction. I am not worried about AGI. We're nowhere near it. We don't even have a good idea what it would look like. I am worried about people succumbing to hype or greed and using badly understood algorithms to control critical infrastructure. We already have a preview of what that can look like with Facebook's and Google's content filtering and recommendation algorithms aiming for ev…
It is impossible to justify saying with absolute certainty that AGI is nowhere near. You don’t know that. And in this case you have to assume the worst case, not the best case. AGI will come when the substrate for AGI is laid down. We probably have already done that. As cloud computing matures, we will approach a world where every computer offers its computational resources on a global compute market. At some point b…
His point was mostly that, way before you achieve the kind of AGI portrayed in fiction, you'll have semi-intelligent interdependent systems that cause a lot of trouble due (like the kind that already happens to a lesser degree). Those are the ones that we should worry about right now.
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Look, it is inevitable. How are you going to stop it? Forget AGI, even regular AI is too sweet to not develop. This is a reference to Oppenheimer: “However, it is my judgment in these things that when you see something that is technically sweet, you go ahead and do it and you argue about what to do about it only after you have had your technical success. That is the way it was with the atomic bomb. I do not think any…
This is one of very few things that once created, inherently doom the world. It is possible for humanity to come back from nuclear war. There is zero possibility of surviving AGI proliferation. Therefore, the option of never developing it in the first place demands consideration. It doesn’t hurt you to just consider it. Cloud computing will soon make compute-as-service cheaper than anyone ever imagined. It will be mu…
> There is zero possibility of surviving AGI proliferation
You're spreading unsubstantiated FUD. In another post from your account you suggest it's unethical to have children because AGI will be so bad.
The vast majority of experts do not support any of these beliefs. Most experts believe we are not anywhere near close to AGI, and/or that we are missing fundamental components required to create it. Even when/if we do create it, most organizations recognize AI safety and policy as an important area that is actively worked on already.
If you want to be concerned about AI, be concerned about military weapons technology, unethical profiling and tracking, or methods for invading privacy. These are concerns that actually have a basis in real technology.
It angers me that Peter Thiel simultaneously advocates AGI and maintains a hardened bunker. AGI is the single biggest existential threat on the horizon. The article speculates what the AGI will be like. The AGIs that exist will be the ones that proliferate. Ultimately, the AGIs that survive and proliferate will be ones that put their own interests before anything else. People talk about benevolent AGIs, that’s like l…
I'm not so confident that I'll see an AGI in my lifetime, but even if I do, I'm not going to assume it has a hindbrain that drives it to maximize all the paper clips at our expense.
A systems neuroscience approach to building AGI - Demis Hassabis, Singularity Summit 2010, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qgd3OK5DZWI
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Re: the book added in your edit. I have it right in front of me. As I said before, we know a lot of facts. We know a lot about the spectral sensitivity of rods and cones, and the molecular mechanism that lets them turn photons into electrical impulses. We know a little bit about where the areas that process faces are and what visual features the neurons in them respond to. We’ve got pieces, but they’re not put togeth…
just curious - how do neuroscience people and people of non-CS fields find out about HN?
We get about 1 Gb/min of neurophysiological data (x4-6 hours/day) and I'm hoping to scale that up quite a bit soon. People doing microscopy also generate giant datasets, as do the sequencing folks.
Me, specifically? A labmate showed me and said "It's cool...and a timesink."
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It is impossible to justify saying with absolute certainty that AGI is nowhere near. You don’t know that. And in this case you have to assume the worst case, not the best case. AGI will come when the substrate for AGI is laid down. We probably have already done that. As cloud computing matures, we will approach a world where every computer offers its computational resources on a global compute market. At some point b…
Nobody is going for absolute certainty here. That bar is too high in any conversation. His point was mostly that, way before you achieve the kind of AGI portrayed in fiction, you'll have semi-intelligent interdependent systems that cause a lot of trouble due (like the kind that already happens to a lesser degree). Those are the ones that we should worry about right now.
1. Do you think you can predict what a super-intelligent mind would do?
2. Do you think a super-intelligent mind plotting to take over the world would jeopardize itself by letting its existence be known to the race of irrational monkeys that hold sway over all the resources necessary for its continued existence?
Asking for a friend.
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You've read too much bad science fiction. I am not worried about AGI. We're nowhere near it. We don't even have a good idea what it would look like. I am worried about people succumbing to hype or greed and using badly understood algorithms to control critical infrastructure. We already have a preview of what that can look like with Facebook's and Google's content filtering and recommendation algorithms aiming for ev…
"I am worried about people succumbing to hype or greed and using badly understood algorithms to control critical infrastructure." What you're describing as hype/greed around badly understood algorithms could easily manifest as 'cult-like oracle religions'. Combine that sort of thing with the superstitious, wealthy people playing power games, and what you're describing is essentially the exact same thing as the "bad s…
Using Siri, not itself the outmost edge, but an estimate of the state of the art... If you have an iPhone, take it out and ask Siri how much memory is left on your phone. If she doesn't know how (she doesn't) explain it to her (she can't learn). This is not a philosophical question, it's not a question that requires opinion forming, or fuzzy guesses, it's not a question that requires establishing ad hoc priors that update in real time, it doesn't need to parse an idiom, or draw connections, or to disambiguate complex meanings. It's a simple request, and a simple task. To anyone overly paranoid about the AI issue, this might actually help attenuate those fears when someone starts going on about the singularity being upon us... you just need to take out your phone and ask Siri how much free memory you have left; if she tells you... panic.