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DeepMind and Google: the battle to control artificial intelligence

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Re: DeepMind and Google: the battle to control artificial intelligence

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"But human intelligence is limited by the size of the skull that houses the brain."

When you think about it this way, it seems impossible that we haven't duplicated the capability of the human brain in an airplane hangar somewhere.

What's going on inside our heads that we can't mimic? That magical algorithm...

Re: DeepMind and Google: the battle to control artificial intelligence

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Apologies in advance for the meta-comment (feel free to disregard) about this:

> [Opening Paragraph of Article:] One afternoon in August 2010, in a conference hall perched on the edge of San Francisco Bay, a 34-year-old Londoner called Demis Hassabis took to the stage. Walking to the podium with the deliberate gait of a man trying to control his nerves, he pursed his lips into a brief smile and began to speak: [...]

Am I in the minority, when seeing this writing style (for articles covering this kind of content) becomes an instant turn-off?

When an article covers a technical subject or company, I don’t really care whether a founder had an awkward nervous walking gate, or that the conference hall was “perched” on the edge of the SF bay.

In fact, I’d prefer not to focus on such superficial things about people (or places), at least until I exhaust learning about the facts with substance!

So when I read about something like AI (or an AI company), I tend to want to see fact-oriented, event-oriented, concise writing up front (even if it doesn’t have the scope to dive into technical details), so as to grab my attention and reassure me that reading these 10-20 pages of prose will be worth the reading time (in a world of overwhelming information overload).

When I read science fiction (and I do love this too!), I enjoy the paragraphs setting the scene, verbally illustrating mental images, etc. So, it’s not that I don’t enjoy the writing style in general; just that I don’t understand why it’s applied here.

I am still reading this article and I still have no clue if it’s going to contain any useful information content other than textual descriptions of the Deep Mind founders’ superficial walking gate style and speech mannerisms, and perched-ness of various building locations.

Re: DeepMind and Google: the battle to control artificial intelligence

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Apologies in advance for the meta-comment (feel free to disregard) about this: > [Opening Paragraph of Article:] One afternoon in August 2010, in a conference hall perched on the edge of San Francisco Bay, a 34-year-old Londoner called Demis Hassabis took to the stage. Walking to the podium with the deliberate gait of a man trying to control his nerves, he pursed his lips into a brief smile and began to speak: [...]…

I think its clear that the Article is not a technical piece at all and is instead about Google and Deepmind's working relationship so I think your criticism is unwarranted. You can find great technical articles on Deepmind's website though.

https://deepmind.com/research/

Re: DeepMind and Google: the battle to control artificial intelligence

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post #2

"But human intelligence is limited by the size of the skull that houses the brain." When you think about it this way, it seems impossible that we haven't duplicated the capability of the human brain in an airplane hangar somewhere. What's going on inside our heads that we can't mimic? That magical algorithm...

We know nothing about how it works, it seems to derive its information and results from somewhere else as if it's hooked some bigger brain ( which can't see ), so analyzing brain alone we don't find anything.

Re: DeepMind and Google: the battle to control artificial intelligence

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post #2

"But human intelligence is limited by the size of the skull that houses the brain." When you think about it this way, it seems impossible that we haven't duplicated the capability of the human brain in an airplane hangar somewhere. What's going on inside our heads that we can't mimic? That magical algorithm...

Modern supercomputers are still a factor of 10 off of the brains compute power(~1 Exaflop) but I don't think anyone in the field believes that you suddenly get consciousness once you reach a critical mass of compute. It's clearly a software problem.

Re: DeepMind and Google: the battle to control artificial intelligence

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post #2

"But human intelligence is limited by the size of the skull that houses the brain." When you think about it this way, it seems impossible that we haven't duplicated the capability of the human brain in an airplane hangar somewhere. What's going on inside our heads that we can't mimic? That magical algorithm...

We know nothing about how it works, it seems to derive its information and results from somewhere else as if it's hooked some bigger brain ( which can't see ), so analyzing brain alone we don't find anything.

This is inaccurate. We understand much of how it works, how vision, speech, etc work but we don't understand consciousness which is quite different.

Re: DeepMind and Google: the battle to control artificial intelligence

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Apologies in advance for the meta-comment (feel free to disregard) about this: > [Opening Paragraph of Article:] One afternoon in August 2010, in a conference hall perched on the edge of San Francisco Bay, a 34-year-old Londoner called Demis Hassabis took to the stage. Walking to the podium with the deliberate gait of a man trying to control his nerves, he pursed his lips into a brief smile and began to speak: [...]…

Right there with you. I scanned through it and found maybe 5 sentences of substance that I was interested in reading from beginning to end.

Re: DeepMind and Google: the battle to control artificial intelligence

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post #2

"But human intelligence is limited by the size of the skull that houses the brain." When you think about it this way, it seems impossible that we haven't duplicated the capability of the human brain in an airplane hangar somewhere. What's going on inside our heads that we can't mimic? That magical algorithm...

this is wrong. look at the size of an elephant brain. they are smart, but not smarter than humans. similarly, bird brains are tiny, but birds have shown significant intelligence, crows in particular have been well studied.

Re: DeepMind and Google: the battle to control artificial intelligence

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post #2

"But human intelligence is limited by the size of the skull that houses the brain." When you think about it this way, it seems impossible that we haven't duplicated the capability of the human brain in an airplane hangar somewhere. What's going on inside our heads that we can't mimic? That magical algorithm...

Modern supercomputers are still a factor of 10 off of the brains compute power(~1 Exaflop) but I don't think anyone in the field believes that you suddenly get consciousness once you reach a critical mass of compute. It's clearly a software problem.

A factor of 10? That's it. It's as good as done within 5-7 years.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/02/racing-match-chinas-...

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