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How Discord Went Mainstream

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Re: How Discord Went Mainstream

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robrtsql wrote: post #61
Biganon wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've almost never used Slack, but isn't it more institution-oriented? Can you use it for free with a bunch of friends? I'd be interested in knowing what you prefer in both, since you're using both Also, have you ever tried a free software, decentralized alternative?

I'm not who you were talking to, but while Slack was definitely intended for use by businesses, you can create a Slack "team" for free (or at least, that's what I remember). There are limits around free Slack (finite chat history) but it is possible. > Also, have you ever tried a free software, decentralized alternative? Which are you thinking of? I've used Riot before, to see what Matrix was all about. The Riot clie…

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Re: How Discord Went Mainstream

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elagost wrote: post #64

From the TOS: By uploading, distributing, transmitting or otherwise using Your Content with the Service, you grant to us a perpetual, nonexclusive, transferable, royalty-free, sublicensable, and worldwide license to use, host, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, and display Your Content in connection with operating and providing the Service. The Company doe…

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Re: How Discord Went Mainstream

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Post by defertoreptar »

elagost wrote: post #64

From the TOS: By uploading, distributing, transmitting or otherwise using Your Content with the Service, you grant to us a perpetual, nonexclusive, transferable, royalty-free, sublicensable, and worldwide license to use, host, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, and display Your Content in connection with operating and providing the Service. The Company doe…

> They also have a ban against distributing or even talking about macro/autohotkey programs, and, of course, they can see every single message and piece of content you put on the service.

Woah. That's strange considering I've subscribed to the AHK Discord group for a while now. Maybe they're referring to the ban in the context around cheating in video games.

Re: How Discord Went Mainstream

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Post by technofiend »

Mirioron wrote: post #84
technofiend wrote: post #62

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>No strange rituals involving NickServ or ChanServ. True but God help you if you ever lose your discord 2fa seed; you'll have to throw away that identity and start over. [1] From their FAQ: Note: If you do not have access to your backup codes, we are unable to remove 2FA and you will have to create a new account. Discord cannot remove 2FA or issue you new backup codes. *1 https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/artic…

That actually sounds like a good thing though.

It's great until you discover that Google's migration tool doesn't port Google Authenticator data when you switch phones. Ask me how I know. :-)

Re: How Discord Went Mainstream

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Post by jellicle »

wlesieutre wrote: post #90
jellicle wrote: post #87

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How would anyone be able to look at your house if they didn't own it? No, the expansive licensing Discord demands here is not required to operate the service.

Those permissions are specifically granted "in connection with operating and providing the Service". I'm not a lawyer, but are you suggesting that they could do other things like steal your images to use in advertising and claim that it's "in connection with operating and providing the Service"? In order to host your (automatically copyrighted) content on their server and display it to other people in your chats they…

"Steal"? You gave them a license to do so.

Yes, they could use your images in their advertising, or publish a book of your images, or make a movie out of all your messages and videos, or anything else they wanted to do with, as they call it, "Your Content". That's what a perpetual, transferable, worldwide, royalty-free, sublicensable license to create derivative works is.

And no, all those rights are not required to operate Discord.

Re: How Discord Went Mainstream

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Post by pteraspidomorph »

jelv wrote: post #43

Discord business model seems te be to sell games. Not sure if it's going to be a good fit for non-gamers in the future. https://riot.im/ powered by Matrix also seems a good alternative. It's getting more stable every day.

I like Matrix, I run a homeserver, but they still have a long way to go until their feature set becomes as attractive as Discord's, and I feel like in certain areas they're not even trying.

Re: How Discord Went Mainstream

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Post by filoleg »

hobs wrote: post #68
holler wrote: post #65

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99% of users don't care, it's a great product

Most users of heroin dont care that it is harming them, but that's a good thing right?

Poor analogy. Just because they can't break the addiction, doesn't mean they don't care. A lot of long-time smokers are very aware that it harms them, and they wish they had never started, they just can't break the habit. Find me a sizeable group of discord users who are addicted to it and are using it because of the powerful habit they wish they could break, despite them being aware of how much it hurts them.

Re: How Discord Went Mainstream

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Post by fvjft »

GuB-42 wrote: post #94
elagost wrote: post #64

From the TOS: By uploading, distributing, transmitting or otherwise using Your Content with the Service, you grant to us a perpetual, nonexclusive, transferable, royalty-free, sublicensable, and worldwide license to use, host, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform, and display Your Content in connection with operating and providing the Service. The Company doe…

The first part of the TOS is standard, even something as simple as showing a thumbnail of a posted picture (which discord does) requires it. AutoHotKey have their own relatively active Discord server, so obviously, you can talk about it. What is banned is the use of macros on the Discord client itself. As for seeing every single message, then yes, certainly. That's how you get the entire conversation history when you…

Why are macros banned? What kind of stuff can you do with macros? Spam?

Re: How Discord Went Mainstream

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Post by fvjft »

fouc wrote: post #29

One thing that really irritates me about Discord is that it has really crappy low-contrast dark & light themes. And it's not theme-able at all. At least slack's default light theme is high contrast and also slack is theme-able.

I wish Discord had an actual usable light theme. What they have now is an abomination. They probably look at the stats and see nobody uses the light theme and think "not worth to fix". Of course nobody uses it... it's unusable.

Re: How Discord Went Mainstream

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Post by LinuxBender »

zaarn wrote: post #93
LinuxBender wrote: post #59

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You can still put a web client with persistent chat history in front of IRC. TheLounge is one example [1] [2] and Convos is another. [3] [4] [1] - https://thelounge.chat/ [2] - https://github.com/thelounge/thelounge [3] - https://convos.by/ [4] - https://github.com/Nordaaker/convos

Setting those up isn't quite trivial for the non-programmer user and they have problems with some IRC servers (it's almost impossible to connect to EFnet via thelounge in my experience and convos had a variety of problems).

Agreed. On the upside, you need one technical friend that can set it up for many friends to use. For EFnet and several other networks, you need to get permission from NetOps/NetAdmins or an individual server operator if you don't need the fail-over resilience.
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