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Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by mhermher »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #14
drugme wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand what the story here is supposed to be. Did you catch the parts about Tesla harassing Tripp in a whole bunch of outlandish and basically thuggish ways in response -- ranging from a bogus $167m lawsuit up to apparently lying to the local police about him planning a mass shooting? That's what the story was about.

The article certainly makes those claims. But Bloomberg doesn’t seem to have any evidence of those things, beyond Tripp’s raw assertion that his friends didn’t make the call and he didn’t do what the lawsuit says. With no corroboration, why should we believe him over Tesla at this point?

So you do understand what the story is supposed to be? What did you mean then? Confusing comment.

Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by marvin »

coldtea wrote: post #64
_Microft wrote: post #50

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He's CTO at SpaceX.

Which doesn't mean anything really. If you have founded the company and own it, you can be CTO and delegate all the real engineering / research work.

Even Tom Mueller, propulsion engineer & co-founder of SpaceX, publicly acknowledges that Musk is heavily involved in key engineering decisions. I get that Musk gets a large amount of hate these days, but at least find something material to criticize. "He's not even an engineer" isn't just an irrelevant argument, it's also wrong. (Except in the "certified engineer" sense, which I don't think anyone is claiming).

Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

gamblor956 wrote: post #194
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #191

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> Whistleblower protection laws generally do not require that the "appropriate regulatory agency" be the only person to whom disclosure is made... Whistleblower protection laws in some cases don't even exist and even where they do you're typically not going to have a fun time if you have to use them. When it comes down to it you do what you've got to do, but going there first rather than last is not a really great id…

For one thing, documents rarely prove anything on their own (how do you even know they're not forgeries?) without the investigatory powers needed to verify the information in them. Which the government has and Twitter doesn't. We don't. The government is also not the only entity that can perform forensics on purported documents. News companies do it all the time, and their are hundreds of e-forensics firms in the US…

Forensics on digital documents can be a lot of pseudo-science, especially when you're talking about text documents and spreadsheets. Legitimate documents can have as many anomalies as a half decent forgery.

Confirmation is having somebody to go to the place and see if the materials alleged to be there are actually there. Unless you're lucky enough for them to be clearly and unambiguously visible from public space, that means you need some kind of authorization to go in and have a look. A picture of an unknown container is not very helpful.

> In fact, Twitter is a good (but not even remotely the best) way to get all the interested/competent parties aware of the documents.

What's wrong with bringing them privately to the subset of the parties whose interest is in fixing the problem?

Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by burtonator »

ams6110 wrote: post #165
rchaud wrote: post #40

"Later that day, Tripp heard from the sheriff’s department in Storey County, Nev. Tesla’s security department had passed a tip to police. An anonymous caller had contacted the company to say Tripp was planning a mass shooting at the Gigafactory." Think of how this could have played out under different circumstances. We've already had numerous "swatting" incidents where innocent bystanders were hurt or killed. The mor…

I can conclusively say that I will never be giving Tesla any of my money. I can grant credit where credit is due, Tesla did show the world and the market that an electric vehicle can have appeal and doesn't have to look like a glorified golf cart. But I'm not going to reward them for the appalling behavior of their CEO and/or people acting at his direction in other areas.

He's really gone off the deep end and I'm wondering if this isn't a little bit of mental illness.

I'm WAY less bullish on Tesla than I was a year ago.

His behavior is insane. The value of the Tesla just isn't there either and it COULD be but the over-promising and under-delivering needs to end.

Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by rjplatte »

stcredzero wrote: post #173
FireBeyond wrote: post #169

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The ever-impartial Wikileaks? Sure, let's jump right on that...

The ever-impartial Wikileaks? Sure, let's jump right on that... I don't think such a site has to be that impartial. I'll just settle for not evil. It would be best if they had competitors.

They're indiscriminate, so I tend to "trust" them. They don't really care what they put out, AFAIK.

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Post by iamdbtoo »

vbuwivbiu wrote: post #196

I'm going to separate Musk from the other asshole billionairs, for now, because I truely think there's a higher purpose here that his companies are helping bring about. I think his heart's in the right place too. Something happens to people when they become that rich and are surrounded by sycophants. I wish he had respect for his staff and treated them well, same with Bezos but Tesla is more useful to the world than…

"I think his heart's in the right place too."

Trying to ruin someone's life is having your heart in the right place?

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Post by Mr_Shiba »

rchaud wrote: post #40

"Later that day, Tripp heard from the sheriff’s department in Storey County, Nev. Tesla’s security department had passed a tip to police. An anonymous caller had contacted the company to say Tripp was planning a mass shooting at the Gigafactory." Think of how this could have played out under different circumstances. We've already had numerous "swatting" incidents where innocent bystanders were hurt or killed. The mor…

> The more I see Musk doing stupid pseudo-celebrity stuff like appearing on a kiddy Youtube channel to "review memes"

False prophet, this is why celebrity cult sucks

Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by praneshp »

drusepth wrote: post #172
praneshp wrote: post #42

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> Just look at the $35k Tesla that he pulled off by kicking out sales. A regular CEO wouldn't have done that. You know that's reversed right? https://paloaltoonline.com/news/2019/03/11/tesla-puts-brakes...

The decision to close most of the stores is (mostly) reversed, but the price drop to $35k for the Model 3 is not reversed. https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1121980_tesla-will-rais...

Partially correct. _Some_ variants of model 3 will continue to be sold at 35k

Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by Fuckyourself »

FireBeyond wrote: post #166
zmarty wrote: post #105

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Where is the proof? The Bloomberg story is as one sided as it gets. "An anonymous caller" == Elon Musk responsible?

There might not be much in the way of proof, but it's an interesting story. Tesla calls police, says Tripp has threatened to shoot up place. Police investigate, say "no threat". Tesla says, "Hey, hold a press conference about it anyway!", sheriff declines, says "Can I speak to the person who says he called in a threat?". Tesla declines to make any witnesses available (which, huh? How can a company 'decline' to make a…

If the person who called in the anonymous threat declines to come forward its hardly up to Tesla to disclose their identity.
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