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Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by gdulli »

memling wrote: post #57
drugme wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With no corroboration, why should we believe him over Tesla at this point? Occam's Razor (and Tesla/Musks's record of erratic and vindictive behavior in other contexts) should provide ample basis for making that call.

> Occam's Razor This seems like an objectively bad idea to me. I'm not a Tesla or Musk fan, and it seems plausible he could try to destroy a whistleblower. Even so, "innocent until proven guilty" is the better standard. Occam's Razor is greatly influenced by our priors.

> Even so, "innocent until proven guilty" is the better standard

You're confusing this with the legal system. Normal people outside that don't have access to formal investigative powers and resources. Their only course is to use their best judgment based on what they do know.

Where greater penalties like fines and jail are involved, a corresponding greater standard of proof is required.

Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by joekrill »

rchaud wrote: post #40

"Later that day, Tripp heard from the sheriff’s department in Storey County, Nev. Tesla’s security department had passed a tip to police. An anonymous caller had contacted the company to say Tripp was planning a mass shooting at the Gigafactory." Think of how this could have played out under different circumstances. We've already had numerous "swatting" incidents where innocent bystanders were hurt or killed. The mor…

I don't understand how we're jumping to the conclusion that Musk is responsible for this. No one seems to be claiming the "anonymous call" was made up, as far as I can tell. For all we know Tripp made the call himself to make himself look like more a victim. It's no less plausible than suggesting Musk made the call himself, or had someone make it on his behalf.

Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by AndrewBissell »

ericb wrote: post #94
AndrewBissell wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very deceptive to call what Tripp posted to Twitter "a trove of confidential internal documents." There were: - Photos of trailers parked outside the Gigafactory full of potentially hazardous battery waste. - Photos of shoddy workplaces within the Gigafactory and precision work being done with crude implements like Dremel tools. - VIN numbers of cars which Tripp believed had been fitted with batteries with possibly p…

> crude implements like Dremel tools Woa, woa, woa! You're hurting your credibility with this one!

crude in the context of the job they were being used to do. I agree Dremels can be awesome! :-)

Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by camjohnson26 »

zmarty wrote: post #93
rayiner wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bloomberg conveniently left out the reason why "Tripp has since changed lawyers". It's because he published on Twitter a trove of confidential internal Tesla documents. Once he did that his lawyer knew they had no case anymore. Tripp only deleted the documents after his lawyer was able to get in touch with him. This showed that he did in fact access internal Tesla systems and he did in fact exfiltrate this informat…

A "whistleblower" that first leaked all information to reporters, and then only claimed he was a whistleblower once Tesla figured out who it was. A "whistleblower" that a few months later publishes all of these internal documents ON TWITTER.

Who should he have leaked it to? Where should he have published it?

Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by zmarty »

rchaud wrote: post #40

"Later that day, Tripp heard from the sheriff’s department in Storey County, Nev. Tesla’s security department had passed a tip to police. An anonymous caller had contacted the company to say Tripp was planning a mass shooting at the Gigafactory." Think of how this could have played out under different circumstances. We've already had numerous "swatting" incidents where innocent bystanders were hurt or killed. The mor…

Where is the proof? The Bloomberg story is as one sided as it gets. "An anonymous caller" == Elon Musk responsible?

Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by u10 »

loceng wrote: post #92
AndrewBissell wrote: post #18

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> Why should we believe him over Tesla at this point? "Funding secured." Also, your assertion that there is no corroboration is wrong, the new whistleblower Sean Gouthro is corroborating Tripp's claims. This behavior is also well in line with Elon Musk's established pattern of paranoid behavior in surveiling employees.

Funding in Elon's mind could have been secured - perhaps not to what SEC's requirements of what that meant however; if I had $100B to invest in taking Tesla private, I'd certainly give it to Musk - Saudi Arabia is throwing around huge amounts as well, which I believe was his believed source of funding.

What Elon believes the requirements are and what the legal requirements are two different things.

Not to mention that Tesla failed to file an 8k form in a timely manner, and when it was finally filed it clearly showed that funding had not been 'secured' under any reasonable definition.

Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by lazyasciiart »

memling wrote: post #57
drugme wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With no corroboration, why should we believe him over Tesla at this point? Occam's Razor (and Tesla/Musks's record of erratic and vindictive behavior in other contexts) should provide ample basis for making that call.

> Occam's Razor This seems like an objectively bad idea to me. I'm not a Tesla or Musk fan, and it seems plausible he could try to destroy a whistleblower. Even so, "innocent until proven guilty" is the better standard. Occam's Razor is greatly influenced by our priors.

You should definitely not use Occam’s Razor to convict someone in court, true. You should probably use something besides “has a court already convicted this person” in your personal life though.

Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by AndrewBissell »

zmarty wrote: post #93
rayiner wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bloomberg conveniently left out the reason why "Tripp has since changed lawyers". It's because he published on Twitter a trove of confidential internal Tesla documents. Once he did that his lawyer knew they had no case anymore. Tripp only deleted the documents after his lawyer was able to get in touch with him. This showed that he did in fact access internal Tesla systems and he did in fact exfiltrate this informat…

A "whistleblower" that first leaked all information to reporters, and then only claimed he was a whistleblower once Tesla figured out who it was. A "whistleblower" that a few months later publishes all of these internal documents ON TWITTER.

Maybe he recognized that giving the information to SEC or DOJ would result in them dithering and keeping the information from the public for months or years on end as is their custom when facing complaints against well-heeled and connected corporate bad actors.

Tripp believed dangerous batteries were being placed in Tesla cars being sold to the public. It seems like none have been seen in the wild -- maybe because he was wrong or maybe because his public revelations forced Tesla to change course.

Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by camjohnson26 »

leesec wrote: post #75
peteradio wrote: post #38

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Waaaat who told you this? An ceo directly interfering with engineering is a huge nono. Do you think this guy is Tony stark? He's a up jumped Web Dev.

He literally designed his rocket and built multiple million/billion dollar tech companies.

He absolutely did not design a rocket. He didn’t found Tesla either.
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