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Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#71
I'm primarily a "drawer", not a "painter", but that said, there's a lot that translates between genres of visual art, especially when we're talking about representational work. I work a lot with pixel art which is often compared to painting in terms of achievable results.

When I give advice to people who want to get into pixel art, I usually give these recommendations:

* Pick a few art fundamentals and aim to study them, by recreating real life scenes or other images with a focus on a specific principle(lots of people will study by recreating the classics). Proportion is one I regularly struggle with because I'll tend to rush along through the early part of the image: if you're drawing figures but don't add enough structure to their proportioning, they will look deformed. But I learned how to proportion better by studying typography, which elaborates greatly on measures and ratios. For any given art principle there are usually guidelines, tricks, and ways to add structure that help in conveying a desired indication without just doing guess-and-check and grinding your muscle memory. And there are a lot of working artists who produce output by grinding through it with the help of the undo key, cut+paste, etc., but traditional forms usually emphasize bringing more preparation to the image.

* Fewer colors are usually better - a principle that is true within pixel art(using more colors usually means you are adding detailed lighting and texture, which can get out of control pretty quickly and doesn't add a lot of information to a low-resolution pixel image) and only somewhat less so in other forms. Paints offer uncanny amounts of smoothness through blending, but this also means having to manage a nearly infinite number of values. Folks who really want to convey perfectly accurate representational scenes these days are likely to look towards the gamut of digital tools to help manage or automate these considerations, since fighting them with traditional materials can be so time-consuming.

* In terms of specific techniques for making marks or stylizing the image, they do depend a lot on the medium, but you don't need a lot of different techniques to do good work. For pixel art, I often suggest following castpixel's[0] style, which is to always make pixel clusters of two or more. This is a style that forces the indication of "brush strokes" throughout the image and makes it easy to resolve fine details, though it sacrifices smoothness around edges.

Across all the arts, the creative part often takes the form of setting down a few broad conceptual rules and structures intended to communicate the idea, and then the remainder is an exercise in the technical followthrough of those rules. So don't feel too pressured to follow a specific set of rules or techniques, as long as you execute consistently through the piece. As a hobbyist you're totally free to explore any combinations that come to mind, even if they're "inefficient" or "unpolished" - you don't have clients waiting on you!

[0] https://mobile.twitter.com/castpixel/status/1006437480059596... (she's talked about style in more depth, but you can see the clustering rule pretty clearly in her work)

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#73
I think prior to painting in any style, it is useful to learn how to draw. I found this book recently which I think is really excellent. As you progress through the exercises, the instructor has you work in different media, including paints (but in order to learn how to express a 3d object on 2d material).

The Natural Way to Draw by Nicolaides. It might be found at a library but here is a link to amazon (I don't get any credits for this just for ease of searching)

https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Way-Draw-KIMON-NICOLAIDES/dp/...

Otherwise if you're more experimental maybe just study your favorite impressionists and try to copy their style on your own subjects until you find your own way to do it. I personally am into being methodical but this approach (starting realistically) just takes longer.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#74
My favorite painting is Van Gogh's wheat field with crows. Not that I understood why for a long time. I finally realized that when I look at it, I feel like I am standing in his shoes, looking at the field and understand just a bit what it was like to be him at that moment.

There are lots of ways to learn to paint, starting with paint by numbers, taking classes, reading books, but those are not the important parts and they often get in the way. The essential thing is finding a way to get the painting to tell someone about how you, emphasis on you, experience something.

The good news is that just making the attempt will make you a better coder!

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#75
post #65

I will tell you what I tell my students; To learn to make art you spend time working with the materials. That is it. When the urge arises to judge the quality of your work, it will be tempting to say this is good or this is bad. Take that energy that you might put into assessing the aesthetic and put it back into the materials instead. Persist and grow. Avoid aesthetic judgements, and instead produce work. Inevitably…

Surely there has to be some aesthetic guidance along the way? Up until my senior year of college, every writing course I took, I would never get any _aesthetic_ feedback on my work. In grade school, my grammar and spelling would get corrected, but otherwise, what I wrote was what I wrote. It wasn't until I took a sitcom-writing course in college that a teacher gave me feedback that would make my writing better: "this…

>Surely there has to be some aesthetic guidance along the way?

It's generally better to run the feedback through the same unconscious mental pathways you use to do the activity, rather than the verbal storytelling loop that can think thoughts like "I don't like how I did this". Use the parts of the brain that are good at painting, not the parts that are good about telling stories about your painting.

I highly recommend reading "The Inner Game of Tennis" to get a much better sense of this distinction. It's broadly applicable to all sorts of skill acquisition and improvement. The best way to learn how to do something is to quietly and non-judgmentally watch yourself doing it. Your brain is really good at figuring that all out once you've started.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Drawing is 2D; why would I need to internalize anything in 3 dimensions? Maybe you're thinking of a definition of "drawing" as in "accurately reproducing a 2D perspective projection of an anatomically correct 3D horse from any angle". But that's just a very narrow slice of the vast world of visual art.

It goes without saying that drawing is a way to represent 3D objects into 2D space. Once the fundamentals are good - i.e. "accurately reproducing a 2D perspective projection of an anatomically correct 3D horse from any angle", you could develop your own style, make caricatures, cartoons, hyperrealism, figurative-expressionism, etc... You can have the freedom knowing that your skeleton (figuratively speaking) is corre…

> It goes without saying that drawing is a way to represent 3D objects into 2D space.

Drawing provides a way of representing 3D objects into 2D space; it's not what drawing is.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#77
Just do it! You have a passion for it, so harness it!

Go to the dollar store and buy some brushes and canvas (both are surprisingly good despite being cheap). Then buy a 48-color acrlyic (or oil) set, so you don't need to worry about mixing colors (~$40, but worth it).

Paint from photos. Find a really nice photo, sketch it out with paint/pencil and then paint what you see.

Paint with a friend or a nice teacher. Painting will be, and is always, frusturating. Throughout every painting, at some point, you will look at it and think its terrible. Painting with others is nice because when you get to that point and you can ask someone to look at it and tell you its not bad (and they are usually right). Once you paint through the frusturation you will find anything you think is bad can be made good.

As others suggested, you might also learn to draw. IMO the best way to do this is to go to a model drawing session. These are uninstructed and the time-varying of the poses will help a lot.

Take pride in anything you make. Hang it up on the wall, take a picture of it. Don't compare yourself to Monet or other painters, just paint what you like and enjoy what you paint.

Good luck, I'm happy to share more if you'd like.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#78
Paint is made up of fixed colored pigments. How can you compute the color of a mixture of different color pigments? Lets say you have a mixture of particles with color c1 and c2 and you know the concentration is x% c1 and (100-x%) c2?

The machine at the hardware store can do this but what is the formula?

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