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Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

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My wife has been hobby painting for the last few years! Like others have said the foremost thing that will help you improve is to enjoy the painting experience. We have so much art lying around our apartment that soon we will run out of space.

During her early days she would paint 1,2 paintings over the weekend, and with time the sophistication grew and she started exploring newer techniques, and at this stage some of her paintings take a week or 2 to complete. Some of her colleagues and friends have shown keen interest in buying her artwork so that tells you she`s getting good at it.

Shameless plug: https://instagram.com/swethareddyart

There are a lot of other artists on IG who share their work and techniques some even goto the length of making videos explaining the techniques.

Side note: looking for tips on best ways to take a picture of the artwork and get prints? Anyone have experience doing this.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

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In order to paint, you must first learn how to draw. There is a ton of misinformation on the internet and in literature, especially the famous book - "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain Workbook" [1]. This is a completely wrong way to learn how to draw. It gets you to point where your results may look pleasing but your foundation is going to be weak and it will fall apart. Let me explain. In order to draw convinc…

Drawing is 2D; why would I need to internalize anything in 3 dimensions? Maybe you're thinking of a definition of "drawing" as in "accurately reproducing a 2D perspective projection of an anatomically correct 3D horse from any angle". But that's just a very narrow slice of the vast world of visual art.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

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Here's what I did when was in my late teens & early 20s, and taught myself. 1. Copy famous artworks that you admire -- even just drawing in a notebook is great, to start. 2. Once you can copy art that you really like, start adding your own flair to things, develop a personal style 3. Experiment more & more Just like with programming -- there are a ton of great books about how to paint, how to mix colors, etc. You can…

> The only way to get better is by painting... you'll have to paint a lot

As with any creative skill, especially the ones that involve fine motoric skills, one cannot skip the practice. The advice I once read about learning how to draw applies in some way to all of them:

"Every artist has at least a thousand bad drawings in them. It is best to get these out as quickly as possible."

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

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I know a lot of people who have just painted along with Bob Ross. Maybe that's an option?

Ross's approach is probably closest to instant gratification: the scenes are intentionally designed to be easy, quick, and striking. Water color can also be instant gratification, but you can't really paint over mistakes, unlike oils (if you wait for them to dry). Looking online, people's early Ross-clone works are not so hot, but practice makes perfect. I would suggest picking one segment of a scene, such as part of…

I would suggest picking one segment of a scene, such as part of mountain, and keep trying until you perfect it.

I remember Ross doing a training video along these lines... the resulting painting at the end was not one whole scene, but a bunch of discrete components: trees, mountains, water, etc.

I did a few paintings in his technique years ago. I was surprised at how easy it was to produce something decent.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

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I would basically ignore any textbooks or "tutorials" and just start with drawing first, which has the advantage that you can ignore colors. When I was 19, I learned how to draw over the course of 3 years, by using standard printer paper, a pencil and photographs to copy. It was incredibly frustrating during the first few days, but you will get better very quickly. After a few weeks, you will realize that your perception of an image (and your idea of drawing) will change completely. You will see an image in 3 dimensions, and you will quickly learn how you can add "depth" to an image. It's difficult to describe, but basically it will suddenly feel like your pencil is "diving into" the picture you are drawing, as opposed to just scratching on the paper surface.

Something I did not expect was that the other major thing you learn during the first few weeks is not how to draw, but how to fix mistakes you made. This was an important realization for me, because it extends to many other professions as well.

After you have copied a few images, you will realize the shortcomings of your tools (paper, pencil, eraser) and you will start to look for other pencil types or better quality paper. All of this will come naturally after a while, you don't need textbooks for that, and you can apply this type of learning to many other skills afterwards, because you will have developed an immunity against these frustrating, frustrating first days.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#46

In order to paint, you must first learn how to draw. There is a ton of misinformation on the internet and in literature, especially the famous book - "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain Workbook" [1]. This is a completely wrong way to learn how to draw. It gets you to point where your results may look pleasing but your foundation is going to be weak and it will fall apart. Let me explain. In order to draw convinc…

In my youth I was training to be a portrait gallery artist and studied privately in artist studios throughout my twenties. I largely didn’t go that route professionally because 2008 happened and other opportunities presented themself, but learning to draw in order to paint is fundamental.

The single biggest issue novices have with art, whether painting or drawing, is edge control and handling values, everything eles is largely practice observing and studying.

The best way to learn edges and values is drawing, lots and lots of drawing, critiques, and master studies. A master draftsman can pick up a paintbrush and be proficient quickly, but it’s extremely difficult to skip that step if wanting to jump straight to painting.

Largely I don’t know your goals, if it’s just to paint for fun, ignore the advice, learn the technical side and enjoy yourself. If you want something nice looking as well, draw draw draw.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

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In order to paint, you must first learn how to draw. There is a ton of misinformation on the internet and in literature, especially the famous book - "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain Workbook" [1]. This is a completely wrong way to learn how to draw. It gets you to point where your results may look pleasing but your foundation is going to be weak and it will fall apart. Let me explain. In order to draw convinc…

This entire post sounds like a "hot take". There is indeed a ton of misinformation around and there is no reason to believe your post isn't exactly that, especially when you make undefended claims like "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain is a completely wrong way to learn". I'm also puzzled that you explicitly put down dotrsotb but then go on to recommend Sycra, who recommends that book frequently...

Obviously I don’t have data to back up my claims but I explain what’s wrong with shape-copying way of drawing.

Then, I go on to explain the litmus test for evaluating whether one has internalized the “3D” aspect of the object they are trying to draw. If someone can draw from a reference but can’t draw the same thing from a different angle - that means they’ve learned to draw based on that book that I linked.

Contrarily, you haven’t put forth a valid criticism of my post except highlighted that it’s a “hot take”. I am happy and willing to engage in a debate without calling/judging.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

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In order to paint, you must first learn how to draw. There is a ton of misinformation on the internet and in literature, especially the famous book - "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain Workbook" [1]. This is a completely wrong way to learn how to draw. It gets you to point where your results may look pleasing but your foundation is going to be weak and it will fall apart. Let me explain. In order to draw convinc…

Drawing is 2D; why would I need to internalize anything in 3 dimensions? Maybe you're thinking of a definition of "drawing" as in "accurately reproducing a 2D perspective projection of an anatomically correct 3D horse from any angle". But that's just a very narrow slice of the vast world of visual art.

> Drawing is 2D

It (like painting, where this is taken advantage of far more often) is actually 3D, since it involves applying one or more layers of material of nonzero thickness on a base substrate, though it can be (and often is) treated as 2D ignoring that.

But, yes, the grandparent was focussed (perhaps excessively) on advice about how to do representational drawing of objects existing in 3D space as a prelude to painting, presumably focussed on similarly representational painting.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#49
Anecdote: the biggest thing I am learning now is just how much professional painters allow themselves to completely change their minds in the middle of doing a piece. I never thought this before, I thought everybody just knocked things out once they became proficient (and yeah, that can be true but not always), more often when I watch a video of an entire painting session they can decide to completely move things around, change the background, the mood, etc, and they are using physical paint, not photoshop.

Also in drawing, there is MUCH more erasing going on than I ever thought. It's true that some artists just work straight ahead, but I have never allowed myself to rethink things if I don't like where it's going. I make the mistake of abandoning works that I think are not going right, instead of fixing things which is a very, very valuable skill to develop.

Watercolors are pretty unforgiving in my experience as a beginner because they are transparent, and you have to be careful and plan things out in advance. I think there is a lot of technique to master there if you are learning on your own.

So you would want opaque colors, and you can get that with gouache + watercolor but more likely you may like acrylics.

Color theory is important. Take time to work make your own tests and color tables as you get used to a selection of colors.

I would add that watching videos of how different people work has changed how I view my own process. There are a lot of different ways to work and some may resonate with you.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

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For me this is noise on hacker news, but I'm not here to complain about that. I'm here to encourage you to go and find actual communities about painting out there on the Web. They can give you much better advice than you'll get here. The Web is so much bigger than just HN.
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