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Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#51

In order to paint, you must first learn how to draw. There is a ton of misinformation on the internet and in literature, especially the famous book - "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain Workbook" [1]. This is a completely wrong way to learn how to draw. It gets you to point where your results may look pleasing but your foundation is going to be weak and it will fall apart. Let me explain. In order to draw convinc…

This is a pretty strong opinion, and not necessarily correct. >"Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain Workbook" [1]. This is a completely wrong way to learn how to draw Do you have a source for this? This book has been recommended by a good majority of the drawing/painting professors I had (at a fine arts school). The entire basis of the book is "learn to draw by learning to see". >Do this everyday for 6 months and…

I am expressing my opinion about the book - I have read through it and it is a complete train wreck in my view. I also explain why I think it is a wrong way to teach new comers. Furthermore, I provide a litmus test of checking if someone has learned to draw from the "right" side of the brain. I do not need to provide a reference for an opinion that I am stating.

> "Demonstrably false. Every single one of the abstract/non-representational masters have an extremely good grasp of "traditional" (i.e. observational) skills. Even Pollock knew how to draw from life."

So did Picasso, Rothko, Richter, Burri and many more. But, I can also point to Bacon, Yayoi, David Hirst, etc. who have no interest or background in drawing skills.

My point was, by saying that "All bets are off", I meant that being able to draw well is not a necessary condition to become an abstract artist.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#52
Ah, I was afraid to start painting at first, myself. I'm currently a full time freelance artist, and I work with both paint and traditional/digital illustration. I'm also nearly completely self taught.

My first piece of advice might seem a little bleh: Just start! Really. Grab some premade canvases from wal-mart or Amazon (nothing super pricey or massive), and a starter set of both acrylic and oil paints. I say both, because both of them work very differently from each other. Acrylic dries much faster, and water washes it right off, but (in my personal experience) oil paint is much better for colors and mixing them up and doing all sorts of crazy neat things.

Learning to draw first is nice, yes, but it isn't exactly necessary. I started drawing and moved to painting, but I've met other artists who started with painting and went to drawing with graphite. Art is fluid and unique to each individual, and no one does anything the same way.

Just starting out, don't try to imagine a massive, amazing piece your first time. It'll just bum you out. Start off with simple things, like painting a vase, or some scattered objects around your house. You aren't trying to impress anyone yet, so just do simple things to learn how the paint works, how it reacts to different strokes and different brushes. With acrylic, add a touch of water to thin it out and let other colors bleed through. Add a little linseed oil to oil paints to make them thinner and easier to blend.

there's all sorts of videos and courses you could take, but honestly, I've never really looked into any of that. They help, yes, but painting is a very personal, emotional thing. In time, you'll find what you like, what you don't like, how you like to hold brushes and use them, etc. There's no right or wrong way to do it. It all sorta boils down to what works for /you/.

Though, I do recommend this video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNB3XY67Q-I

The guy is a little boring, but he teaches you how to make ANY color with oil paints. This was a huge thing for me when I was learning.

If I can help any more, you can find me around the net by searching my art name, doublePopsicle, and toss me a message wherever! (I draw NSFW furtrash stuff, just an FYI)

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#53
By painting.

A painter is simply someone that paints.

Paint most days. Follow whatever gives you motivation.

The above is my translation from watching artistic friends of mine.

I also suspect: Whenever possible discard the that which demotivates you. Experiment with everything, or alternatively find repetition with minute changes or improvements, whatever is your jam. Try to avoid believing you need to find an expert, while simultaneously copying skills from anywhere and anyone that suits you. Or mimic nothing and noone.

Accept your work is a journey where you are always an apprentice. Mostly you will only be proud of some parts of your results, and some parts will disappoint you. Accept that you will look back at your best work as the work of another person (genius or child).

But most importantly, just paint.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#54

In order to paint, you must first learn how to draw. There is a ton of misinformation on the internet and in literature, especially the famous book - "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain Workbook" [1]. This is a completely wrong way to learn how to draw. It gets you to point where your results may look pleasing but your foundation is going to be weak and it will fall apart. Let me explain. In order to draw convinc…

I'm fairly surprised this comment is at the top right now.

Honestly, while your comment probably isn't entirely wrong, I'd hesitate to say that painting is the kind of activity where a pre-requisite is learning to draw.

The concept of painting is bringing your vision to life on media. Whether that's a scene with obvious shapes or not. There are plenty of art pieces where drawing or knowing how to draw before creating the painting would've been unnecessary.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#55

In order to paint, you must first learn how to draw. There is a ton of misinformation on the internet and in literature, especially the famous book - "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain Workbook" [1]. This is a completely wrong way to learn how to draw. It gets you to point where your results may look pleasing but your foundation is going to be weak and it will fall apart. Let me explain. In order to draw convinc…

Drawing is 2D; why would I need to internalize anything in 3 dimensions? Maybe you're thinking of a definition of "drawing" as in "accurately reproducing a 2D perspective projection of an anatomically correct 3D horse from any angle". But that's just a very narrow slice of the vast world of visual art.

It goes without saying that drawing is a way to represent 3D objects into 2D space.

Once the fundamentals are good - i.e. "accurately reproducing a 2D perspective projection of an anatomically correct 3D horse from any angle", you could develop your own style, make caricatures, cartoons, hyperrealism, figurative-expressionism, etc... You can have the freedom knowing that your skeleton (figuratively speaking) is correctly placed in 3D.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#56

In order to paint, you must first learn how to draw. There is a ton of misinformation on the internet and in literature, especially the famous book - "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain Workbook" [1]. This is a completely wrong way to learn how to draw. It gets you to point where your results may look pleasing but your foundation is going to be weak and it will fall apart. Let me explain. In order to draw convinc…

This entire post sounds like a "hot take". There is indeed a ton of misinformation around and there is no reason to believe your post isn't exactly that, especially when you make undefended claims like "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain is a completely wrong way to learn". I'm also puzzled that you explicitly put down dotrsotb but then go on to recommend Sycra, who recommends that book frequently...

It's all subjective in that most people who want to draw or paint, likely have completely different ideas of what being good at that is.

"Drawing from the right side of the brain" is basically just a brain hack to allow a person to essentially trace what is in front of them. To some people that might be the goal. To make a reasonably accurate copy of what is in front of them. For others they may want to be able to draw an accurate picture of something from their head. Others may want to create wild stylistic abstractions. The original post referenced impressionism. In that case a more informed knowledge of color and composition might be more helpful.

Personally, as someone who has spent my entire life drawing(and a chunk of it painting) I cringe at that advice to learn from that book. I have read it and it will definitely help someone to render and accurate version of a photograph or object in front of them. But it really boils down to a shortcut as opposed to fundamental learning. Its like teaching math with just a series of steps to get the answer without teaching the underlying fundamentals of what is happening. In the short term you'll test well, but in the long term your growth will be stunted if you do not also learn the concepts involved.

Hope that is a bit more clarification. And with all that said, for some people that book might be wonderful. I do think it is well written and I did enjoy it and I imagine others will as well. Its a fun read and set of exercises. Just wanted to give you a bit more perspective on the opinions presented.

With that said, the general advice given in what you are replying to is way over the top. No one needs to spend 6 months drawing cones in space. That smells like your typical exaggerated internet advice that tends to prevent people from taking the first steps.

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#57
As someone who paints I ask myself the same question on how to play piano. I'm told the same thing I tell everyone else - practice.

Obviously practice fundamentals - understudy drawing, form, color, composition etc.

One thing I think a lot of people think is when a painter looks at his work he'll say "this is a badass painting" when in reality everyone like myself I met is it usually ends up as a collection of compromises versus what I wanted to achieve :)

Personally depending on the medium invest in moderate to good supplies. Don't waste money on that one off brush, you'll find better utility getting a good round brush from 0-5, a nice flat and a sturdy fan brush. One thing to help with experimentation is invest more in palettes and newsprint paper or cardboard.

If you're into digital I don't know what to tell you. I desire the feedback of my hand on the brush and the way the hairs course through the surface spreading the medium. However I'm sure it provides as much relaxation and meditation as painting the conventional way it does.

Godspeed :)

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#58

In order to paint, you must first learn how to draw. There is a ton of misinformation on the internet and in literature, especially the famous book - "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain Workbook" [1]. This is a completely wrong way to learn how to draw. It gets you to point where your results may look pleasing but your foundation is going to be weak and it will fall apart. Let me explain. In order to draw convinc…

I'm fairly surprised this comment is at the top right now. Honestly, while your comment probably isn't entirely wrong, I'd hesitate to say that painting is the kind of activity where a pre-requisite is learning to draw. The concept of painting is bringing your vision to life on media. Whether that's a scene with obvious shapes or not. There are plenty of art pieces where drawing or knowing how to draw before creating…

You must have noticed why there are a lot of still-life studies in painting. Sometimes, starting out with a 4-shade monochrome palette. The reason for studying still life, classically by countless masters and in today's fine art courses, is that it teaches you about few things:

1. Being able to draw/paint from life. Still life objects are easily accessible without paying for a human model.

2. More importantly, household objects can easily be broken down into primitive shapes. Cups, Cans, Pots, Apples, etc..

3. It teaches you about illumination, finding values by "Squinting" and finding edge quality (soft, hard, lost, etc.)

Furthermore, the classical masters practiced "Chiascuro", i.e. high contrast and wide dynamic range light conditions that can be simulated indoors with still life. The reason why drawing is prerequisite for painting is that the act of application of paint depends on local values where your brush stroke is being applied to. In order to find the value of the color, you need to know the form. In order to know the form and how it is illuminated, you need to "internalize" the 3D aspect of the object. Therefore, always, drawing is 80% of the work in painting (80% to make a point, obviously, I don't know exact percentage).

Re: Ask HN: How can I learn how to paint?

#59
I will tell you what I tell my students;

To learn to make art you spend time working with the materials. That is it.

When the urge arises to judge the quality of your work, it will be tempting to say this is good or this is bad.

Take that energy that you might put into assessing the aesthetic and put it back into the materials instead.

Persist and grow. Avoid aesthetic judgements, and instead produce work.

Inevitably as you deepen your experience you will begin to autonomously develop techniques and content that you find yourself returning to.

As you progress through this process your style will begin to take unique, identifiable shape.

Through this process you will become a true painter.

Many people mistake technical capacity at predefined aesthetics as painting, but I would argue that this produces uninteresting work.

Every identifiable style was born from people who chose to work outside of preexisting style.

Goodluck.

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