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Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by ocdtrekkie » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 3:42 PM UTC

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #9

I don’t understand what the story here is supposed to be. By Tripp’s own account, he did gather private information, the information did not itself prove wrongdoing, and he did leak it to the press because he wanted to make Tesla look bad.

He actually, perhaps extremely naively, thought that Tesla would fix these issues if they were public. It sounded like he more or less supported Tesla and what Tesla was doing, but also felt like they were doing things that were unsafe, and did not feel like he was successful in elevating the issue internally.

But I would argue the larger part of the article is not about what Tripp did, but that Elon Musk likely committed a few crimes in response to it.

Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by i_call_solo » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 3:44 PM UTC

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #8

xiphias2 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's money and position together. Elon is strategically important for the US at this point, putting him to jail would wipe out billions of dollars of the US stock market, and SpaceX may be part of the future of US defense.

I would argue that neither Tesla nor SpaceX will disappear if Elon Musk goes to jail. In fact, the argument could be made both companies would perform more reliably without him.

Musk is heavily involved in the engineering efforts at Tesla and SpaceX. Losing him would not be a good thing for these companies despite his public antics.

Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by honestoHeminway » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 3:45 PM UTC

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #8

xiphias2 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's money and position together. Elon is strategically important for the US at this point, putting him to jail would wipe out billions of dollars of the US stock market, and SpaceX may be part of the future of US defense.

I would argue that neither Tesla nor SpaceX will disappear if Elon Musk goes to jail. In fact, the argument could be made both companies would perform more reliably without him.

reliable exponential? No.

Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by SpicyLemonZest » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 3:49 PM UTC

drugme wrote: post #10

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #9

I don’t understand what the story here is supposed to be. By Tripp’s own account, he did gather private information, the information did not itself prove wrongdoing, and he did leak it to the press because he wanted to make Tesla look bad.

I don’t understand what the story here is supposed to be. Did you catch the parts about Tesla harassing Tripp in a whole bunch of outlandish and basically thuggish ways in response -- ranging from a bogus $167m lawsuit up to apparently lying to the local police about him planning a mass shooting? That's what the story was about.

The article certainly makes those claims. But Bloomberg doesn’t seem to have any evidence of those things, beyond Tripp’s raw assertion that his friends didn’t make the call and he didn’t do what the lawsuit says. With no corroboration, why should we believe him over Tesla at this point?

Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by navigatesol » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 3:53 PM UTC

i_call_solo wrote: post #12

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would argue that neither Tesla nor SpaceX will disappear if Elon Musk goes to jail. In fact, the argument could be made both companies would perform more reliably without him.

Musk is heavily involved in the engineering efforts at Tesla and SpaceX. Losing him would not be a good thing for these companies despite his public antics.

>Musk is heavily involved in the engineering efforts at Tesla and SpaceX.

Is there any evidence of this, outside of him personally claiming this to be the case?

Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 3:54 PM UTC

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #14

drugme wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand what the story here is supposed to be. Did you catch the parts about Tesla harassing Tripp in a whole bunch of outlandish and basically thuggish ways in response -- ranging from a bogus $167m lawsuit up to apparently lying to the local police about him planning a mass shooting? That's what the story was about.

The article certainly makes those claims. But Bloomberg doesn’t seem to have any evidence of those things, beyond Tripp’s raw assertion that his friends didn’t make the call and he didn’t do what the lawsuit says. With no corroboration, why should we believe him over Tesla at this point?

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Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by drugme » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 3:56 PM UTC

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #14

drugme wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand what the story here is supposed to be. Did you catch the parts about Tesla harassing Tripp in a whole bunch of outlandish and basically thuggish ways in response -- ranging from a bogus $167m lawsuit up to apparently lying to the local police about him planning a mass shooting? That's what the story was about.

The article certainly makes those claims. But Bloomberg doesn’t seem to have any evidence of those things, beyond Tripp’s raw assertion that his friends didn’t make the call and he didn’t do what the lawsuit says. With no corroboration, why should we believe him over Tesla at this point?

With no corroboration, why should we believe him over Tesla at this point?

Occam's Razor (and Tesla/Musks's record of erratic and vindictive behavior in other contexts) should provide ample basis for making that call.

Re: Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower

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Post by AndrewBissell » Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 3:56 PM UTC

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #14

drugme wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand what the story here is supposed to be. Did you catch the parts about Tesla harassing Tripp in a whole bunch of outlandish and basically thuggish ways in response -- ranging from a bogus $167m lawsuit up to apparently lying to the local police about him planning a mass shooting? That's what the story was about.

The article certainly makes those claims. But Bloomberg doesn’t seem to have any evidence of those things, beyond Tripp’s raw assertion that his friends didn’t make the call and he didn’t do what the lawsuit says. With no corroboration, why should we believe him over Tesla at this point?

> Why should we believe him over Tesla at this point?

"Funding secured."

Also, your assertion that there is no corroboration is wrong, the new whistleblower Sean Gouthro is corroborating Tripp's claims. This behavior is also well in line with Elon Musk's established pattern of paranoid behavior in surveiling employees.