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Nothing. Boeing lobby power in US is exceptional. That's the only reason.
Our actual current Secretary of Defense spent 30 years at Boeing.
And that has zero relevance here as the FAA is Department of Transportation.
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nonsense. Ethiopian airlines is rated Category 1 by the FAA and can thus fly direct to the US and they are a member of the star alliance. Just because they are the largest carrier in Africa does not imply dubious safety or maintenance.
They had a 200 hour pilot flying in the right seat of the crashed airplane. Star Alliance or not, who in the hell defends a low-time student pilot flying right seat in an airliner? In the US, that would be illegal as a first officer has a 1500 hour requirement along with significant multi-engine turbine training. That copilot wouldn’t even have enough hours for a commercial certificate, let alone ATP.
200 or 20 000 hour doesn't matter because the pilot called back the airport that he has issues taking off. This indicate a problem with plane, anything that happened after might a pilot mistake but 100% you have confirmed plane issue.
Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max
#103"Profits over people! Go on then, we've got a plane to fly. We've put too many hours into this plane to turn back now! Don't show weakness!" - Boeing
Good grief, when was the last time Airbus grounded anything?
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#104It’s scary to think how complicit the FAA was in granting Boeing’s wish that this 30 year newer plane with substantially larger engines only required 2-3 hours of new training and said training was able to miss covering entire systems like MCAS. Now 350 people are dead, all the FAA can be thankful of is the dead are foreigners so it’s unlikely they’ll be held properly accountable.
Does the FAA set the rules for Indonesia? Did the FAA tell Lion Air not to repair the broken airspeed indicator that crashed plane experienced during the flight before the crash? Also, did the FAA tell the pilot to turn off the anti-stall system in the Lion Air plane? Because that’s what happened, a pilot turned off that system due to the unrepaired airspeed indicator. In the US, no airline would have allowed that pl…
>did the FAA tell the pilot to turn off the anti-stall system in the Lion Air plane? Because that’s what happened, a pilot turned off that system due to the unrepaired airspeed indicator
Do you have a source for this? This sounds anachronistic, or you've got parts confused with some other flight. If by anti-stall you mean MCAS, if it was disabled then what caused the erratic pitching, unstable vertical speed, and the eventual nose down and dive? MCAS is already implicated in that flight the question is whether it was disabled at all prior to the accident, which would have been the normal procedure. Yet you're suggesting that disabling it was wrong, on what basis?
Also MCAS takes angle of attack, altitude and flap setting as inputs. It doesn't take airspeed as an input. Further there are three separate airspeed sensors, each with their own airspeed indicators, as separate systems. A inoperable indicator is a deviation that will be evaluated by accident investigators, and it might be a cause for confusion and delay in making decisions if the pilots didn't know about the problem in advance. But if they knew about it advance as you're suggesting, they'd just placard the bad one, make a log entry and fly on.
There's no evidence flight experience is related to the crash. It's really common in most of the rest of the world, including Europe, and used to be common in the U.S., to pair very experienced pilots with less experienced pilots - which happens to have been the case with Ethiopian Airlines flight.
The whole bush plane, third world, and "apparently in Ethiopia" commentary sounds ignorant bordering on racist to me.
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Still, that wouldn’t help foreign planes crashing into our cities.
that won't happen because this issue only happens during takeoff, and all the foreign airlines have grounded their fleets already problem solved we did it America
It's ridiculous to think that just because they've trained their own pilots for this, and that the issue can happen in foreign territories, they can wash their hands off of this
Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max
#107It’s scary to think how complicit the FAA was in granting Boeing’s wish that this 30 year newer plane with substantially larger engines only required 2-3 hours of new training and said training was able to miss covering entire systems like MCAS. Now 350 people are dead, all the FAA can be thankful of is the dead are foreigners so it’s unlikely they’ll be held properly accountable.
While you may end up being entirely correct, it is too early to start finger-pointing before the investigations are finished. Neither Lion nor Ethiopian had stellar safety records, e.g. * https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/22/world/asia/lion-air-crash... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_accidents_a... The training hours should also be looked in the context of the total hours flown on that specific mode…
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#108'But the FAA said that other civil aviation authorities had not "provided data to us that would warrant action".'
Pretty sure the data is that two planes crashed in five months in perfect weather conditions, killing everyone on board. Statistically, that's sufficiently improbable that it warrants investigation.
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#109What does the US know that the EU or China doesn't which gives them such confidence? Any clues?
They know Boeing makes up 10.5% of the Dow... [1] or it did before these crashes, currently under 10% due the the stock price dropping [1] http://indexarb.com/indexComponentWtsDJ.html
Dow is a horrible index. It's price-weighted, i.e. higher priced stock has a greater influence than lower priced stock on the index. Apple at $180/share has 2+ times less influence than Boeing at $375/share on the index, and yet Apple's market cap is $850B, 4 times of Boeing's $212B market cap.
The Dow index is pure BS.
Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max
#110What does the US know that the EU or China doesn't which gives them such confidence? Any clues?