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US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

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Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

#31
post #6

I wonder pilots are feeling about it? It will cause a very big stink if one crashes in the US.

At that point, not only will Boeing be at fault, but heads at FAA as well. On the other hand, FAA is known to be very strict when it comes to safety. So, I feel like they must think that US pilots are trained for what the alleged issue seems to be (MCAS).

Still, that wouldn’t help foreign planes crashing into our cities.

Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

#32
post #21
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The FAA was intentionally made independent of airline advocacy to avoid conflicts of interest that previous government agencies overseeing air travel in the past had. So it’s odd if it’s not based on the data.

If it's based on data why not publishing it?

That's exactly the thing. There is no data to the contrary. You can't prove that the FAA is wrong, because we don't know why both planes crashed.

We have assumptions, and there's a public perception - but it may not be correct.

Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

#33
post #29
post #2

What does the US know that the EU or China doesn't which gives them such confidence? Any clues?

In short, the Max-8 ships with a shitty default configuration. After the first crash, the FAA and the major american airlines with these planes aggressively updated the instrument panel settings, warnings and processes to ensure pilots were aware if there was a sensor disagreement that could cause the MCAS system to accidentally stall. (I know this is true for Southwest, I assume the rest followed suit.) While the de…

You mentioned "know this is true for Southwest" do you have a source by chance?

Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

#34
post #21
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The FAA was intentionally made independent of airline advocacy to avoid conflicts of interest that previous government agencies overseeing air travel in the past had. So it’s odd if it’s not based on the data.

If it's based on data why not publishing it?

Well they’re saying there is no data to indicate a systemic problem at this point, which at face value seems fair since very little is known. They tend to not jump to conclusions since they’ve had some pretty bad experiences in the past doing that.

Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

#36
post #33
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In short, the Max-8 ships with a shitty default configuration. After the first crash, the FAA and the major american airlines with these planes aggressively updated the instrument panel settings, warnings and processes to ensure pilots were aware if there was a sensor disagreement that could cause the MCAS system to accidentally stall. (I know this is true for Southwest, I assume the rest followed suit.) While the de…

You mentioned "know this is true for Southwest" do you have a source by chance?

https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-safety/southwest-airlines...

Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

#37
post #20

From a customer perspective I would have appreciated a joint approach of the major aviation agencies. The way it is handled right now, I can’t judge whether the EU is reacting shortsighted or if the US is too careless. One seems to be true?

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Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At that point, not only will Boeing be at fault, but heads at FAA as well. On the other hand, FAA is known to be very strict when it comes to safety. So, I feel like they must think that US pilots are trained for what the alleged issue seems to be (MCAS).

Still, that wouldn’t help foreign planes crashing into our cities.

that won't happen because this issue only happens during takeoff, and all the foreign airlines have grounded their fleets already

problem solved we did it America

Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

#39
post #28

What I dont understand is why the airlines themselves (Southwest and American) are refusing to halt the planes - this seems totally irresponsible with what is known at this point.

What is known at this point is that another 737 Max crashed for some reason, which might have been unrelated to the cause of the last crash, while being flown by an airline with a questionable safety record.

If this turns out to have been a terrorist attack or something like that, a lot of people are going to have to eat their words, and millions of dollars will have been wasted for nothing.

Re: US refuses to ground Boeing 737 Max

#40
post #20

From a customer perspective I would have appreciated a joint approach of the major aviation agencies. The way it is handled right now, I can’t judge whether the EU is reacting shortsighted or if the US is too careless. One seems to be true?

None, US politicians are looking after their self-interest. Lobbying strikes again!

well this would also mean EU authorities are looking after their self-interest too, even if that self-interest happens to mean that it more likely preserves lives.
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