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Bribes to Get into Yale and Stanford? What Else Is New?

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#111

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I suspect you've never heard of the "Jewish Quota" that capped the number of Jews allowed in various schools: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_quota

I have heard of that but what does that have to do with anything now? It isn't an active policy of any of Ivy League schools anymore ..

Nor is affirmative action for Jews but you brought that up.

Re: Bribes to Get into Yale and Stanford? What Else Is New?

#112
post #18

Just reinforces my belief that an ivy league degree is much more an indicator of socioeconomic class than it is intelligence or aptitude.

Yes. You pay for the network, the education is free and optional. However: I have worked with a handful of Harvard MBA graduates and . . . they were the smartest people I have ever worked with, and I have worked with a lot of people.

The only cool Harvard kids dropped out

Re: Bribes to Get into Yale and Stanford? What Else Is New?

#113

I'm sad to say that I know one of these students that had it arranged for them through what might have been this service.

It is sad to think that for every one of these students that got in this way, another deserving applicant got denied.

Re: Bribes to Get into Yale and Stanford? What Else Is New?

#114

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If everyone is receiving an A, that indicates that everyone receives As regardless of merit.

Or it means that everyone works their ass off. Or that they went to high schools that prepared them well.

Wait is non calibrated scoring the norm now? When I was in school (a terribly long time ago) classes were judged by the people that took the classes. That is the % were based in the people that took the tests.

Re: Bribes to Get into Yale and Stanford? What Else Is New?

#115

My company foolishly donated data to Stanford for nearly a decade. We asked them for an 'in kind' license to OpenNLP and were basically completely rebuffed. They're taking in money hand over fist. We need to stop thinking of these as universities anymore. They're cash cows...

To be fair, if you were donating data then you shouldn't exactly be expecting something in return. If there was an expectation then someone on your end didn't do their job or something on the Stanford end changed.

Re: Bribes to Get into Yale and Stanford? What Else Is New?

#116
post #82

I used to have a lot of friends in the MIT admissions office. They felt tremendous pride working at a school that didn't give precedence to legacy admits or children of donors (the quote I remember was "if you give a building, when your son or daughter is turned down for admittance you get a phone call from a Vice President telling you the news" instead of just a form letter).

Do you expect them to tell you that they are taking bribes to admit certain students?

Re: Bribes to Get into Yale and Stanford? What Else Is New?

#117
post #23

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The first is for the benefit of all the other students in the form of reduced tuition grants, a new library, lab equipment etc. The other is for the benefit of the bribe taker. There are lots of situations that elevate X over accomplishment, but this seems like one with actual benefit on a large scale. That said, I hope they all get punished for it.

If the bribe taker donated all of the money to charity, would that make it any less unethical for the University/basketball coach? A bribe is a bribe, and the spot that was taken in the University could have and should have gone to someone more deserving.

>If the bribe taker donated all of the money to charity, would that make it any less unethical for the University/basketball coach

Yes, it would. That wouldn't make it ethical or legal of course.

Re: Bribes to Get into Yale and Stanford? What Else Is New?

#119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or it means that everyone works their ass off. Or that they went to high schools that prepared them well.

Wait is non calibrated scoring the norm now? When I was in school (a terribly long time ago) classes were judged by the people that took the classes. That is the % were based in the people that took the tests.

You mean curved? It depends on the class I think?

And what if like, you end up with a difference between A and B being 2%.

Re: Bribes to Get into Yale and Stanford? What Else Is New?

#120
post #7

This is why, to me, the entire debate about affirmative action at elite colleges is a complete red herring. The amount of kids, regardless of race, who can be considered "deserving" of a spot has been reduced more so by legacy admissions and these bribes than by any effort of individual institutions to even out racial or gender demographics.

If you're building a picture in your head, you can check it against actual numbers here: https://features.thecrimson.com/2015/freshman-survey/makeup/

Thanks for the numbers. This confirms some suspicions but also refutes others: not a lot of legacy kids at Harvard, but their parents are still largely wealthy and mostly White / Asian.
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