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Bribes to Get into Yale and Stanford? What Else Is New?

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Re: Bribes to Get into Yale and Stanford? What Else Is New?

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If the money goes towards scholarships for the deserving but poor its a good trade. Less so if it ends up in the pockets of corrupt paper pushers.

And if I had to bet I would put money on the money not 'trickling down' as we would hope.

Financial aid at ivy league schools is extremely generous in large part due to their huge endowments.

Re: Bribes to Get into Yale and Stanford? What Else Is New?

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That is why it stings for poor or working class Asians and non-Jewish Whites...you don't get the affirmative action or legacy leg up...

I could be wrong, but I don't think Jews get much of an affirmative action boost either.

think twice

http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

Re: Bribes to Get into Yale and Stanford? What Else Is New?

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post #21

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How about completely blind job admissions, school admissions, etc. No names, no race, no age, etc. Just raw test scores. Test them against problem solving skills objectively, etc.

Goodheart's law. Besides what employer wants to hire someone based just on their intelligence scores? If someone is an uncooperative egoist prick I don't think many companies will want to hire them no matter their test scores.

Pure test prioritization also encourages rote learning and optimizing for the test, which is not great for creativity.

Re: Bribes to Get into Yale and Stanford? What Else Is New?

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From the article: "It may be legal to pledge $2.5 million to Harvard just as your son is applying — which is what Jared Kushner’s father did for him — and illegal to bribe a coach to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, but how much of a difference is there, really? Both elevate money over accomplishment."

How about completely blind job admissions, school admissions, etc. No names, no race, no age, etc. Just raw test scores. Test them against problem solving skills objectively, etc.

Did you read the article? The fixer just paid the folks administering the test to let someone else take it, or to let them fix the answers after the fact. Also, agree with the person who mentioned Goodhart's Law.

Re: Bribes to Get into Yale and Stanford? What Else Is New?

#46
post #7

This is why, to me, the entire debate about affirmative action at elite colleges is a complete red herring. The amount of kids, regardless of race, who can be considered "deserving" of a spot has been reduced more so by legacy admissions and these bribes than by any effort of individual institutions to even out racial or gender demographics.

That is why it stings for poor or working class Asians and non-Jewish Whites...you don't get the affirmative action or legacy leg up...

I suspect you've never heard of the "Jewish Quota" that capped the number of Jews allowed in various schools: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_quota

Re: Bribes to Get into Yale and Stanford? What Else Is New?

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My company foolishly donated data to Stanford for nearly a decade. We asked them for an 'in kind' license to OpenNLP and were basically completely rebuffed. They're taking in money hand over fist. We need to stop thinking of these as universities anymore. They're cash cows...

A donation is only a donation if you don't expect anything in return.

Re: Bribes to Get into Yale and Stanford? What Else Is New?

#48
post #29

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Oi. What's with the antisemitism?

Uh...that wasn't antisemetic...when talking about Ivy league representation, Jews are disproportionately represented which is why I distinguished between "Jewish Whites" and Non-Jewish Whites...

Bigger question: Why bring race up at all, then? Class has demonstrably larger effect.

The 1% are very disproportionately represented in the Ivy League, too.

Re: Bribes to Get into Yale and Stanford? What Else Is New?

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The first is for the benefit of all the other students in the form of reduced tuition grants, a new library, lab equipment etc. The other is for the benefit of the bribe taker. There are lots of situations that elevate X over accomplishment, but this seems like one with actual benefit on a large scale. That said, I hope they all get punished for it.

I dont think a monetary donation means a new lab or a library for all students to use that otherwise would have not been built. these universities have excess budget and easily afford to carry out new construction and procurement as planned regardless of donations. Im sure if the said parent had not donated the 2.5 million dollars, not a single thing would have been different for the students. not one.

What are you talking about, of course sourcing new endowments allows them to build more things/provide more services/etc. Approximately half of Yale's operating budget comes from revenue generated by its hospital system (which is a whole 'nother contentious issue, but besides the point). The other half largely comes from drawing a "safe amount" on it's endowment principal, i.e., small enough to be sustainable in the long term without depleting the fund. A relatively small part comes from tuition. Obviously, increasing the endowment (be it $2.5MM or $250MM at a time) increases the amount that can be put towards budgeting in the future -- enabling, for example, the University to grow its student body (which Yale is currently doing) while maintaining the ability to privately subsidize student tuition.

Re: Bribes to Get into Yale and Stanford? What Else Is New?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is why it stings for poor or working class Asians and non-Jewish Whites...you don't get the affirmative action or legacy leg up...

I suspect you've never heard of the "Jewish Quota" that capped the number of Jews allowed in various schools: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_quota

I have heard of that but what does that have to do with anything now?

It isn't an active policy of any of Ivy League schools anymore ..

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