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Re: Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes

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Post by nkkollaw »

nicoburns wrote: post #32
nkkollaw wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you personally think that the UK will actually end up leaving the EU in 10 days? If yes, what are the chances of that happening?

It's not impossible, but probably not. I'd give it maybe a 10% chance. There's a clear majority of MP's who don't want a No Deal scenario. Most likely there will be a postponement of some kind, but probably a short one. What happens at the end of that period is entirely unclear at this point. Leaving without a deal is still a distinct possibility, but probably not the most likely one. I'd give about even odds to some…

You mean there's only 10% chance than the UK will leave the EU?

That's pretty low!

Re: Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes

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Post by T4NG »

tedivm wrote: post #21
schintan wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because if Parliament overturns the people's vote it sets a dangerous precedent.

It was a non-binding referendum. It wouldn't be "overturning" anything. A delay plus a new vote (now that people are more educated on things) seems like the most democratic way to handle this.

"educated" is not the word I would say, I think people are just given the immediate effect and fear without any understanding what it means for long term effects for the country.

Re: Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes

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Post by maxxxxx »

LeonM wrote: post #23
SolaceQuantum wrote: post #6

I've said this before so I'll ask this again- I'm an American and I'm entirely ignorant on UK politics. I've followed the headlines and I am still confused why Brexit is happening. It seems no one wants Brexit as it has been suggested by the political leadership of UK, and the majority want to avoid no deal at all. I do not understand why not call the entire Brexit thing off; why is that political suicide?

Well, it's a democracy, they let the people vote, and the people voted in favor of leaving the EU. It's the same for me as a non-American looking at the whole Trump situation. The people chose him as their president, yet I get the impression (again, I'm an outsider) that very few people like him as a president.

"that very few people like him as a president."

That's not really true if you talk to people. He is also being helped by the fact that the democrats have not much to offer either. I bet almost anybody except Clinton would have won the election.

Re: Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes

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Post by sparkie »

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #6

I've said this before so I'll ask this again- I'm an American and I'm entirely ignorant on UK politics. I've followed the headlines and I am still confused why Brexit is happening. It seems no one wants Brexit as it has been suggested by the political leadership of UK, and the majority want to avoid no deal at all. I do not understand why not call the entire Brexit thing off; why is that political suicide?

The idea that nobody wants Brexit is an false image painted by (predominantly left-wing) mainstream media to try and prevent it from ever happening. There is massive support for Brexit across England and Northern Ireland. Support for remain is largely in Scotland and the the large academic cities in England. The vote results can be seen here:[1]

One trouble with the media is they never leave their echo chambers in these cities and find out what people across the country think. I don't know of anybody in my town who voted Brexit and has changed their mind since. In fact, many who voted to remain have said they would vote to leave in a second referendum, because the contempt that the political elite in Westminster and Brussels have for the result of a democratic vote has been laid bare for all to see.

There is only a majority in favour of renaming in parliament, but as you note, it would be political suicide for them to cut off Brexit, which is why we have this shitshow where they try to stop it by pretending to try and make it happen. ("Brexit in name only")

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/United_K...

Re: Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes

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Post by lanevorockz »

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #6

I've said this before so I'll ask this again- I'm an American and I'm entirely ignorant on UK politics. I've followed the headlines and I am still confused why Brexit is happening. It seems no one wants Brexit as it has been suggested by the political leadership of UK, and the majority want to avoid no deal at all. I do not understand why not call the entire Brexit thing off; why is that political suicide?

Brexit is happening because the EU is becoming a political entity and no longer an economic union. The direction was set in 2014 with the election of Juncker that is one of the architects of the Euro.

The government voted itself to have more power without any validation with other countries, this caused a massive push back against the EU is ALL of Europe. Don't forget that France has been revolting for almost three months now.

Re: Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes

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Post by vichu »

LeonM wrote: post #23
SolaceQuantum wrote: post #6

I've said this before so I'll ask this again- I'm an American and I'm entirely ignorant on UK politics. I've followed the headlines and I am still confused why Brexit is happening. It seems no one wants Brexit as it has been suggested by the political leadership of UK, and the majority want to avoid no deal at all. I do not understand why not call the entire Brexit thing off; why is that political suicide?

Well, it's a democracy, they let the people vote, and the people voted in favor of leaving the EU. It's the same for me as a non-American looking at the whole Trump situation. The people chose him as their president, yet I get the impression (again, I'm an outsider) that very few people like him as a president.

Albeit, it is slightly stranger in the Trump situation as the majority of voters didn't actually choose him as their president. Not to mention the fact that voter turnout is rather low in the US compared to most other democratic countries.

Re: Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes

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Post by pcwalton »

hlnas wrote: post #28
LeonM wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it's a democracy, they let the people vote, and the people voted in favor of leaving the EU. It's the same for me as a non-American looking at the whole Trump situation. The people chose him as their president, yet I get the impression (again, I'm an outsider) that very few people like him as a president.

That's what the mass media, which is skewed to the left, wants you to think. The truth is that his approval rating is doing okay, and it's especially good for republican voters.

Trump's approval rating is really not doing OK. It's mediocre. Not Nixon or GWB-at-the-end-of-his-term bad, but an unbiased observer would not call being down 12 points "OK". https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

Re: Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes

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Post by telnat »

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #6

I've said this before so I'll ask this again- I'm an American and I'm entirely ignorant on UK politics. I've followed the headlines and I am still confused why Brexit is happening. It seems no one wants Brexit as it has been suggested by the political leadership of UK, and the majority want to avoid no deal at all. I do not understand why not call the entire Brexit thing off; why is that political suicide?

"It seems no one wants Brexit"

Apart from the 17.4 million majority that voted for it?

Re: Brexit: MPs reject Theresa May's deal by 149 votes

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Post by NavyNuke »

tedivm wrote: post #21
schintan wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because if Parliament overturns the people's vote it sets a dangerous precedent.

It was a non-binding referendum. It wouldn't be "overturning" anything. A delay plus a new vote (now that people are more educated on things) seems like the most democratic way to handle this.

> now that people are more educated on things

What do you mean by this?

Most of the articles I've read and people I've talked with from England have said that immigration and keeping England English was the main concern behind Brexit...have views on non-English immigrants changed?

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