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Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by oblio »

willtim wrote: post #37
sleepinseattle wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sway is absolutely incredible, it puts macOS, built by Apple's army of engineers and dump trucks of money to shame in its simplicity, stability, and efficiency. They have different design goals. A tiling window manager is not a good default for everyone or every device type or screen size.

I could equally state that overlapping windows are not a good default for everyone or every device type. It's also worth pointing out that Apples newest UI, iOS, uses a tiling window manager.

Tiling window managers were tried early on, when PCs were introduced. They failed because normal people didn't like them.

Also, mobile OSes won't really ever have more than 2-3 windows shown at the same time, since the screens are so small. That will probably change once we have folding devices or AR/VR. But super limited "tiling" window managers do make sense with such limited UIs.

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by sandov »

mises wrote: post #39
ubercow13 wrote: post #16

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Why should you (upgrade from i3/X)? What's the benefit?

Based on Wayland, meaning it's more modern. Here's what I've heard for benefits: * Better multi-window and gesture support * Gaps built in (currently, i3 is separate from i3-gaps, which is what most actually use). No separate forks to deal with, meaning easier maintenance. * Wallpaper * Faster However, there are some big downsides. Wayland is still pretty beta, and not everything works well with it. This is not the f…

I've always wondered what's the use of gaps.

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by DC-3 »

I have nothing to say, so by rights I shouldn't leave a comment at all - but I can't help but once again thank you for this superb software.

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by hnra »

the_gipsy wrote: post #52
kstenerud wrote: post #36

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... which doesn't solve the underlying problem. I don't want to switch to a different desktop, such that my text editor window disappears and my terminal appears. I want them both on the same screen, along with my browser which points to a SO answer, in big sizes. In a normal window manager, this is accomplished by making them all big and then either overlapping them in ways that makes it easy to click on them, or ju…

So you want to go to an app. You just hope that some corner is peeking out of that huge unsorted pile of windows. You call that good UX or is it just a formed habit?

There are more ways than clicking a window to give it focus. Alt-Tab being the obvious once but also Win+{Nr} on Windows if I recall correctly.

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Post by cwyers »

mises wrote: post #41
jadbox wrote: post #35

Is there an update to the nvidia (proprietary drivers) situation with sway/wayland?

The author still flat-out refuses to support them. This might change if Nvidia open-sources their drivers, which I suspect is part of what he's trying to do.

Probably, but given the relative levels of adoption of Nvidia graphics cards and Sway, I suspect that he's doing more to limit adoption of Sway than he is of encouraging Nvidia to change their behavior.

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by oblio »

ilovecaching wrote: post #49
kstenerud wrote: post #43

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I suppose it's a matter of personality, then. That kind of workflow would drive me nuts.

But there's nothing different between your workflow and my workflow except you have to manually resize your windows on each workspace. Sway just does it for me and I can save the layouts.

> But there's nothing different between your workflow and my workflow except for the fact that our workflows are completely different.

Is it so hard to accept that there are different ways of using a computer and your perceived increase in efficiency might not pan out for everyone? :)

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by AWildC182 »

mises wrote: post #41
jadbox wrote: post #35

Is there an update to the nvidia (proprietary drivers) situation with sway/wayland?

The author still flat-out refuses to support them. This might change if Nvidia open-sources their drivers, which I suspect is part of what he's trying to do.

Seeing as even Linus was unable to "persuade" them, this means "someone will write a fork with nvidia driver support eventually"

Re: Sway 1.0

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Post by the_gipsy »

kstenerud wrote: post #59
the_gipsy wrote: post #52

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So you want to go to an app. You just hope that some corner is peeking out of that huge unsorted pile of windows. You call that good UX or is it just a formed habit?

Precisely. I arrange them such that I can click in the corner I need to get what I want, and then alt-tab between them, or click for the specific one I want if I need to jump. Then I get big real estate, and easy access. I call that good UX because it works well for me.

I don't think it's "easy access" nor "big real estate". But to each their own.
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