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Re: Sway 1.0

#51

Post by mattbreeden »

kstenerud wrote: post #36
NullPrefix wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know that there's multiple virtual desktops, right?

... which doesn't solve the underlying problem. I don't want to switch to a different desktop, such that my text editor window disappears and my terminal appears. I want them both on the same screen, along with my browser which points to a SO answer, in big sizes. In a normal window manager, this is accomplished by making them all big and then either overlapping them in ways that makes it easy to click on them, or ju…

I can't tell if you were aware by your comments, but in a tiling window manager you don't have to have everything visible all the time. They all have modes that hide windows behind others and allow you to swap between them the same as alt-tab. Many of them also have the option to 'float' the windows as a normal non tiling window manager would.

Re: Sway 1.0

#52

Post by the_gipsy »

kstenerud wrote: post #36
NullPrefix wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know that there's multiple virtual desktops, right?

... which doesn't solve the underlying problem. I don't want to switch to a different desktop, such that my text editor window disappears and my terminal appears. I want them both on the same screen, along with my browser which points to a SO answer, in big sizes. In a normal window manager, this is accomplished by making them all big and then either overlapping them in ways that makes it easy to click on them, or ju…

So you want to go to an app. You just hope that some corner is peeking out of that huge unsorted pile of windows. You call that good UX or is it just a formed habit?

Re: Sway 1.0

#53

Post by dfc »

mises wrote: post #39
ubercow13 wrote: post #16

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Why should you (upgrade from i3/X)? What's the benefit?

Based on Wayland, meaning it's more modern. Here's what I've heard for benefits: * Better multi-window and gesture support * Gaps built in (currently, i3 is separate from i3-gaps, which is what most actually use). No separate forks to deal with, meaning easier maintenance. * Wallpaper * Faster However, there are some big downsides. Wayland is still pretty beta, and not everything works well with it. This is not the f…

I never understood the allure with i3-gaps. Without gaps wallpaper is only relevant for empty workspaces which I dont really use. The no copy and paste is a nonstarter for me.

Re: Sway 1.0

#54

Post by mattbreeden »

kstenerud wrote: post #44
totony wrote: post #31

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a cool feature youll probably like is in tilling vms you can use stacked/tabbed views to get those benefits

Tried that, but then I can't have an important part of a SO answer visible while I work in my editor to play around with stuff, while watching the terminal churn away some stuff in a partially obscured window such that I can see when it finishes.

You can float windows in i3 if you wanted to do this. I also have a hotkey to make my window 80% transparent so I can reference docs while keeping my editor fullscreen.

But yeah, if that's your big use case, seems like you just prefer non-tiling workflows.

Re: Sway 1.0

#55

Post by rudilee »

ilovecaching wrote: post #25
ubercow13 wrote: post #16

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Why should you (upgrade from i3/X)? What's the benefit?

Because you can support Wayland and make Sway better. X11 is a super crusty, hacky mess that is being phased out. Sway also incorporates some nice features (gaps) that were previously not in the base version.

I really don't get it why people like gaps so much, yes it's look pretty, but in my opinion it is as much waste of space as window drop shadow. I would like to have as much screen real estate as possible to be used to show information, that's the whole point to use tiling wm in the first place for me.

Re: Sway 1.0

#56

Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #50
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #10

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I gave a short talk at XDC which shows how sway & wlroots solves this problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuRXHJu5Kmg tl;dw: you can't set your position but a drop-down terminal is still in the cards

Hello, Drew! Thanks for responding. Having watched the video, it seems like we could do a "pop-in" terminal (which is how guake and tilix already do their "drop-down" mode because they let the WM actually do the drawing), but a true "drop-down" terminal a la Yakuake or the old id Quake consoles would require some additional functionality, since you'd essentially have to re-draw the application window at Y Pos +10 eac…

You can just animate the margin of the layer surface, which controls its distance from the edge. It can be negative.

Re: Sway 1.0

#57

Post by kakarot »

mises wrote: post #39
ubercow13 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should you (upgrade from i3/X)? What's the benefit?

Based on Wayland, meaning it's more modern. Here's what I've heard for benefits: * Better multi-window and gesture support * Gaps built in (currently, i3 is separate from i3-gaps, which is what most actually use). No separate forks to deal with, meaning easier maintenance. * Wallpaper * Faster However, there are some big downsides. Wayland is still pretty beta, and not everything works well with it. This is not the f…

As mentioned in the OP, we now have wl-clipboard. :)

Furthermore, it's proprietary NVIDIA drivers Wayland isn't supporting, not NVIDIA itself. AFAIK nouveau works just fine. There are many great reasons for not supporting the proprietary NVIDIA drivers.

Re: Sway 1.0

#58

Post by ddevault »

jadbox wrote: post #35

Is there an update to the nvidia (proprietary drivers) situation with sway/wayland?

The nvidia drivers still do not support the standard Linux features necessary for sway to work. I recommend using nouveau instead, and buying a graphics card from a vendor which supports open source next time.

That's how it is, and I'd like to ask everyone to refrain from drawing this particular flamewar out any further.

Re: Sway 1.0

#59

Post by kstenerud »

the_gipsy wrote: post #52
kstenerud wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... which doesn't solve the underlying problem. I don't want to switch to a different desktop, such that my text editor window disappears and my terminal appears. I want them both on the same screen, along with my browser which points to a SO answer, in big sizes. In a normal window manager, this is accomplished by making them all big and then either overlapping them in ways that makes it easy to click on them, or ju…

So you want to go to an app. You just hope that some corner is peeking out of that huge unsorted pile of windows. You call that good UX or is it just a formed habit?

Precisely. I arrange them such that I can click in the corner I need to get what I want, and then alt-tab between them, or click for the specific one I want if I need to jump. Then I get big real estate, and easy access. I call that good UX because it works well for me.

Re: Sway 1.0

#60

Post by kstenerud »

mattbreeden wrote: post #51
kstenerud wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... which doesn't solve the underlying problem. I don't want to switch to a different desktop, such that my text editor window disappears and my terminal appears. I want them both on the same screen, along with my browser which points to a SO answer, in big sizes. In a normal window manager, this is accomplished by making them all big and then either overlapping them in ways that makes it easy to click on them, or ju…

I can't tell if you were aware by your comments, but in a tiling window manager you don't have to have everything visible all the time. They all have modes that hide windows behind others and allow you to swap between them the same as alt-tab. Many of them also have the option to 'float' the windows as a normal non tiling window manager would.

But then I fail to see what benefit it's giving me to be a tiling window manager?
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