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US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

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Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

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Post by dragonwriter »

xxpor wrote: post #98
dragonwriter wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US states are also sovereign entities, or at least that's the pretense.

States have never had separate sovereignty in international affairs.

> States have never had separate sovereignty in international affairs.

And yet their separate sovereignty, allegedly restricted to “domestic” affairs, is why the US, through it's court system, allows US states to ignore US international commitments (notably, the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations) in their execution of their criminal law.

Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

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Post by dontbenebby »

zaroth wrote: post #26
rmind wrote: post #10

The article mixes two seaparate issues: - EU is introducing ETIAS, an electronic authorisation system which is pretty much modeled after the US ESTA system (used by visa-free nationals). It will apply to all countries which currently enjoy the visa-free regime with the EU and that includes USA. So, technically it is not a visa, but your details will be pre-checked and it will cost €7 (compared to $14 for US ESTA). Ir…

Tit for tat is a great model in pre-school. The more mature response is to investigate the underlying issues. Instead of putting your fingers in your ears and yelling “We are EU, you must treat us all the same” there could be some acknowledgement that travelers from those countries are disproportionately overstayers and there is a justifiable reason to need to more closely track them. If US travelers are overstaying…

>If US travelers are overstaying in any particular EU countries, I would expect and appreciate the same measures would be put in place.

Maybe a better analogy would be if the EU said people from New York State disproportionately overstay and will need a visa.

Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

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Post by tapppi »

arthurofbabylon wrote: post #87

Will visitors be permitted to stay longer than 90 days per 180 days?

No, since the traditional visa waivers are only for stays of up to 90 days originally as well. So you'll still need a visa for longer stays, most likely either a work or student visa.

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/etias/

> You can enter the Schengen member states for as many times as you want, for as long as your ETIAS is valid, and you have not stayed more than 90 days in a 180 days period.

Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

#105

Post by rmind »

zamfi wrote: post #61
rmind wrote: post #10

The article mixes two seaparate issues: - EU is introducing ETIAS, an electronic authorisation system which is pretty much modeled after the US ESTA system (used by visa-free nationals). It will apply to all countries which currently enjoy the visa-free regime with the EU and that includes USA. So, technically it is not a visa, but your details will be pre-checked and it will cost €7 (compared to $14 for US ESTA). Ir…

As an EU citizen who wants for “EU countries should be treated equally”, you might want to start at home — Schengen doesn’t include (some of) the countries you listed and citizens of (some of) those countries don’t have the same work rights across the EU itself already. It feels like major hypocrisy to ask the US to treat nationals from those countries equally when the EU itself does not.

Poland is in the Schengen Area. Cyprus is divided since Turkish invasion, so it is somewhat a special case. Other countries joined the EU relatively recently. However, all four countries are legally obliged to join the Schengen Area, they just have to fulfil certain requirements. Without going into all details.. don't you think it kind of makes sense? If you want to join an area without border controls, then for example you should first harmonise the rules on how you secure the external border, immigration control, customs control, etc. It is not as simple as you think.

I do not think it is hyprocritial to require new EU member states to go through certain transition period. A bunch of other European countries went through that process too. At different speeds, but they made it. We are talking about contries; it's not the same as joining your local tennis club, it's a longer and more complex process. If there is anything to blame, then perhaps its your own government which is lagging behind on the necessary reforms. And meanwhile, EU is trying to make it easier for you to travel to the US. So, what are you complaining about?

Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

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Post by erentz »

PunchTornado wrote: post #50
zaroth wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tit for tat is a great model in pre-school. The more mature response is to investigate the underlying issues. Instead of putting your fingers in your ears and yelling “We are EU, you must treat us all the same” there could be some acknowledgement that travelers from those countries are disproportionately overstayers and there is a justifiable reason to need to more closely track them. If US travelers are overstaying…

are you ok with EU imposing visas for some US states and not for others?

How would they do that given US states do not have citizens or passports?

Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

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Post by kyriakos »

themech wrote: post #73
zamfi wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an EU citizen who wants for “EU countries should be treated equally”, you might want to start at home — Schengen doesn’t include (some of) the countries you listed and citizens of (some of) those countries don’t have the same work rights across the EU itself already. It feels like major hypocrisy to ask the US to treat nationals from those countries equally when the EU itself does not.

Afaik Poland is in Schengen and Polish citizens can travel/work freely in EU.

Schengen or not anyone can travel freely and work anywhere in EU as long as they are EU citizens. I have a Cypriot passport and I can walk into any EU country as if its Cyprus and get a job.

Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

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Post by dontbenebby »

kashprime wrote: post #4

This is for an electronic travel authorization, which the US, Australia and Canada already require of all visitors. It's simple and takes minutes online, hardly a 'visa.'

>This is for an electronic travel authorization, which the US, Australia and Canada already require of all visitors

Canada does not require any visa for Americans tourists. All I need to do is bring a passport (or passport card if driving in)

Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

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Post by hyperpape »

ajmurmann wrote: post #85
hyperpape wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ESTA doesn't require a consular visit, right? It seems like there is a real difference here.

Did you even read my full response or the top post in this thread? Neither does the ETIAS system that the EU is introducing. The article for some reason decided to ignore the existence of ESTA altogether and then call the identical (but cheaper) ETIAS system a visa.

"There is a separate dispute between EU and US, because US imposes visas on five EU states (Bulgaria, Croatia, Poland, Romania and Cyprus). According the EU law, all EU countries should be treated equally or otherwise reciprocal measures should apply. There have been calls within the EU to respond tit for tat and impose EU visas on US citizens, if the issue does not get resolved soon."

That is what I, and presumably several other commentators, have been responding to.

Edit: I see that one post referred to the ETIAS initiative. But what you’re saying makes perfect sense now. I’m only talking about the visa. My apologies.

Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

#110

Post by kyriakos »

hartator wrote: post #81
rmind wrote: post #10

The article mixes two seaparate issues: - EU is introducing ETIAS, an electronic authorisation system which is pretty much modeled after the US ESTA system (used by visa-free nationals). It will apply to all countries which currently enjoy the visa-free regime with the EU and that includes USA. So, technically it is not a visa, but your details will be pre-checked and it will cost €7 (compared to $14 for US ESTA). Ir…

The thing is EU is still not a country. It’s not as easy for a Bulgarian to go live in France and claim French citizenship compared to a Californian fully moving to Texas.

Any Bulgarian may go to any EU country and get employed, no questions asked.

Citizenship is a different thing and I don't see how it's related to this discussion.

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