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US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

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Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

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Post by hartator »

rmind wrote: post #10

The article mixes two seaparate issues: - EU is introducing ETIAS, an electronic authorisation system which is pretty much modeled after the US ESTA system (used by visa-free nationals). It will apply to all countries which currently enjoy the visa-free regime with the EU and that includes USA. So, technically it is not a visa, but your details will be pre-checked and it will cost €7 (compared to $14 for US ESTA). Ir…

The thing is EU is still not a country. It’s not as easy for a Bulgarian to go live in France and claim French citizenship compared to a Californian fully moving to Texas.

Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

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Post by IshKebab »

skrause wrote: post #19
cm2187 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you define a visa then?

When I hear "visa" I think of mailing something to a consulate or going there personally for an application, paying a good chunk of money and waiting weeks to hopefully get approval.

Plenty of countries have tourist visas that you can easily get online for a small amount of money. Exactly like the US's not-a-visa. For example Turkey's tourist visa costs $20.

They're all visas.

Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

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Post by SllX »

learc83 wrote: post #48
zaroth wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tit for tat is a great model in pre-school. The more mature response is to investigate the underlying issues. Instead of putting your fingers in your ears and yelling “We are EU, you must treat us all the same” there could be some acknowledgement that travelers from those countries are disproportionately overstayers and there is a justifiable reason to need to more closely track them. If US travelers are overstaying…

If people from Hawaii were overstaying in Japan, the US wouldn't be fine with Japan requiring visas for residents of Hawaii. Part of the purpose of the EU is to present a united front when dealing with other countries. Collective bargaining doesn't work if you don't act collectively. >If US travelers are overstaying in any particular EU countries. The only way to do this would be to require Visas to the whole EU beca…

Hawaii isn’t a sovereign nation with its own foreign service.

Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

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Post by askmike »

IshKebab wrote: post #72
tapland wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If US travelers are overstaying in any particular EU countries, I would expect and appreciate the same measures would be put in place. You mean US citizens from particular states? Because that's what the equivalent would be.

Not really. States are not countries.

Why does that matter? There are huge differences culturally and socioeconomically between different states (and even areas). States have very different laws with a "federal government" managing it all. I don't see how it's very different from EU member states and the EU in Brussel managing it all.

Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

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Post by ajmurmann »

hyperpape wrote: post #59
ajmurmann wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the top post explains, EU citizens already need a ESTA "thing" (some on here call it visa some don't). For some reason the article ignore the US ESTA entirely and calls the EU ESTIA a visa. So the US is already imposing identical restrictions and then some more for citizens of done specific EU countries.

ESTA doesn't require a consular visit, right? It seems like there is a real difference here.

Did you even read my full response or the top post in this thread?

Neither does the ETIAS system that the EU is introducing. The article for some reason decided to ignore the existence of ESTA altogether and then call the identical (but cheaper) ETIAS system a visa.

Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

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Post by tapppi »

hyperpape wrote: post #59
ajmurmann wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the top post explains, EU citizens already need a ESTA "thing" (some on here call it visa some don't). For some reason the article ignore the US ESTA entirely and calls the EU ESTIA a visa. So the US is already imposing identical restrictions and then some more for citizens of done specific EU countries.

ESTA doesn't require a consular visit, right? It seems like there is a real difference here.

There is no difference. The ESTA is an e-visa for $14 and valid for two years. The ETIAS is an e-visa for €7 and valid for three years. Neither requires a consular visit, they are completed online.

Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

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Post by benj111 »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #43
hyperpape wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the potential effect is that every EU nation ends up with their citizens needing visas to go to the US. The status quo is that most EU citizens get visa-free travel to the US, but some don't. I'm sure people hope the result is that all EU citizens get visa-free movement, but the opposite seems like a possibility. (I'm not taking sides, as I don't know enough. But there is a big potential downside here).

I’m willing to accept visas to the US if it means some other EU countries get the chance of not needing visas to the US any more. Anything that strengthens EU unity is positive in my book.

I'm in favour of EU solidarity. My parent split the 2 issues out and stated they were in favour of both. It also isn't the stated reason why ETIAS was introduced, so its unclear to me if this could actually lead to equal treatment of EU citizens.

Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

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Post by renholder »

zamfi wrote: post #61
rmind wrote: post #10

The article mixes two seaparate issues: - EU is introducing ETIAS, an electronic authorisation system which is pretty much modeled after the US ESTA system (used by visa-free nationals). It will apply to all countries which currently enjoy the visa-free regime with the EU and that includes USA. So, technically it is not a visa, but your details will be pre-checked and it will cost €7 (compared to $14 for US ESTA). Ir…

As an EU citizen who wants for “EU countries should be treated equally”, you might want to start at home — Schengen doesn’t include (some of) the countries you listed and citizens of (some of) those countries don’t have the same work rights across the EU itself already. It feels like major hypocrisy to ask the US to treat nationals from those countries equally when the EU itself does not.

Despite the fact that the United States is not a Schengen participant, so that doesn't equate into their rationale for the visa process with those countries, the work that you say the EU should do (otherwise it's hypocrisy) is nigh complete[0,1,2].

The issue is that the United States has agreements with the EU and, much like when Trump tried to negotiate a trade deal with Germany[3], those deals supercede any deals that may have existed with member states in the past.

This scenario, when reversed, would be akin to the EU having a deal with the United States but excluding Texas and requiring all Texans to officially apply for and receiving a visa before travel. Even though they're Americans and the deal with America should supercede, they would be - willfully - ignoring it.

[0] - https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/croatia-ready-meet-sch...

[1] - https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/romania-bulgaria-quali...

[2] - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-croatia-eu-schengen/croat...

[3] - https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-trade-merkel-germany-e...

Re: US citizens will need a visa to visit Europe starting in 2021

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Post by UnpossibleJim »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #54
UnpossibleJim wrote: post #52

So, given that the ETIAS was only for 5 countries of the EU and the EU has reciprocated by enacting a union wide measure that, essentially requires the same thing (in school yard fashion); are we now going to "push back" and require an ESTA for all countries in the EU?

Which EU countries do NOT require an ESTA to travel to the US?

To my understanding it was only Bulgaria, Romania, Cyprus, Poland and ....shoot, I always forget the 5th one, anyway, I'll edit this when I look it up. That needed one.
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