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Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie

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Post by ntsplnkv2 » Wed, Mar 06, 2019, 11:27 PM UTC

stronglikedan wrote: post #205

cmuguythrow wrote: post #195

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This used to be me. I now realize that the reason for my grogginess was that I was totally dehydrated after my 10+ hr sleeping marathon. I now sleep with a water bottle and try to drink half of it before going to bed. When I do this I find that I will naturally wake up after about 8.5 hrs, drink the remaining half of the bottle, fall back asleep for 30 min, and then wake up feeling great. Wonder if this could work fo…

I, too, keep water by the bedside and drink some before falling asleep. However, the older I get, the less I drink, so I don't wake up every couple hours to pee. The moral of this story: don't get old.

I've found that drinking more water throughout the day has helped my nightly dehydration.

Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie

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Post by fratlas » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 12:55 AM UTC

ddorian43 wrote: post #111

fratlas wrote: post #106

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Has anyone managed to break out of this? I've tried increasing exercise, waking up with sunlight; nothing works

How much is increasing exercise ?

1-2 hours of moderately intense exercise

Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie

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Post by CalRobert » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 9:35 AM UTC

asark wrote: post #238

reitanqild wrote: post #235

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Until they are one year old they decide. Around one year they can learn to sleep well. Every parent that kids needs to learn to eat and drink from cups. I also understood and enjoyed helping my oldest daughter learn to walk. But for some reason it never occured to me that sleeping is something that many kids will need to learn. The basic rules are simple. Part 1: make sure the environment don't change while they are…

> Kids should not be afraid and cry themselves to sleep. > But if you just leave them alone in their bed they will. Worked for us 3x. Did it soon after they no longer physically needed to eat in the night, which is a lot earlier than you'd think. Did it around 3 months IIRC. Two or three bad nights with each one (listening to the crying is no fun and I get why people cave) and pretty much smooth sailing from there on…

Huh, I thought the person you're responding to explicitly advised the opposite? I.e. - don't cry it out?

We live in a flat with poor soundproofing and out of a desire not to make our neighbours miserable (especially the nurse who really needs a good night's sleep after a long shift..) we've tried to minimize night crying. She sleeps pretty well now.

Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie

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Post by dkersten » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 9:38 AM UTC

rat9988 wrote: post #131

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A 9 day study includes only one weekend. In a study about weekends. One data point is never enough to make any inferences.

It depends what you are trying to prove. To prove that catchup sleep doesn't work, you need to find at which weekend it stops working. If it's the first week end, you don't need to iterate, as the person's condition will only get worse.

> If it's the first week end, you don't need to iterate, as the person's condition will only get worse.

Then you let your subjects rest up and repeat it again another few times, to make sure that its repeatable and not a coincidence.

Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie

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Post by GiuseppaAcciaio » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 10:39 AM UTC

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #216

GiuseppaAcciaio wrote: post #162

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I'm afraid that this suggestion is a bit glib and simplistic: there are people (my S.O. being one of them) who despite no alcohol, no artificial light after dinner and all doing "all the right things" still can't fall asleep before 2-3am, which then leads to 4- or 5-hour nights all week long. For them, catching up on the weekend is the only solution (albeit an imperfect one).

Are they exercising? You need activity/exercise for good sleep.

Yes they are (2x as much as me), and no you don't.

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Post by vram22 » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 3:21 PM UTC

nkingsy wrote: post #245

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How does red light help sleep? I googled just now, saw some stuff, but interested to see what you think or know.

more red signals sunset to the brain. Read in the HN comments that bunks in the navy are equipped with red lights so one person can read without disturbing the sleep of others.

Thanks, and will check those comments.

Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie

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Post by asark » Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 8:22 PM UTC

CalRobert wrote: post #253

asark wrote: post #238

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> Kids should not be afraid and cry themselves to sleep. > But if you just leave them alone in their bed they will. Worked for us 3x. Did it soon after they no longer physically needed to eat in the night, which is a lot earlier than you'd think. Did it around 3 months IIRC. Two or three bad nights with each one (listening to the crying is no fun and I get why people cave) and pretty much smooth sailing from there on…

Huh, I thought the person you're responding to explicitly advised the opposite? I.e. - don't cry it out? We live in a flat with poor soundproofing and out of a desire not to make our neighbours miserable (especially the nurse who really needs a good night's sleep after a long shift..) we've tried to minimize night crying. She sleeps pretty well now.

Oof, you're right, I totally misread that.

We were fortunate enough to be in detached housing. If we'd still not been consistently getting full nights of sleep until almost a year after our first one was born (as in the post I initially responded to, I gather) we definitely wouldn't have had two more. Yikes. Our total months of disrupted sleep for all three combined isn't that long.