Live data from Hacker News

A Privacy-Focused Vision for Social Networking

facebook.com

61–70 of 76 posts

Re: A Privacy-Focused Vision for Social Networking

#62
post #33

Could some kind soul with enough genuine interest slog through this monster and post a few-sentence summary?

I read the entire thing and it's honestly not worth summarizing. There's nothing of substance, just a lot of empty platitudes. He describes a lot of generic privacy protections (limiting metadata collection, reducing data permanence, secure data storage) but says nothing as to how or when Facebook will ever implement them. It basically boils down to a promise that Facebook will "think about privacy" at some unspecifi…

[deleted]

Re: A Privacy-Focused Vision for Social Networking

#63
He's right. It's possible the facebook brand may have to step into the background to do it, but this decision for tech companies is being forced by governments now.

It makes sense to take an independent stance, as arguably in most markets today, governments need the consent of facebook users more than facebook needs the consent of governments.

I have always been a facebook skeptic, but this post comes at a very crucial time for encryption policy and the role of globalized tech companies. When Barak Obama said in a speech some years ago something to the effect of how we can't have people walking around with swiss bank accounts in their pockets, as far as many countries without sophisticated interception programs are concerned, they have had to live with the equivalent for the last 10 years.

To me, Zuckerberg's post signals that large tech companies are looking at their 5-10 year horizons and placing small bets that they are going to outlast their opposition on encryption. Brexit is going to cost both the UK and Europe their negotiating leverage, and surveillance in the US won't get a popular mandate.

There are obviously immediate product and competitive needs, but I think his post was driven by macro factors like these.

Re: A Privacy-Focused Vision for Social Networking

#64

I wonder, who is supposed to be the recipient of that message. People, who care about privacy, will never believe it.

Lawmakers. This is Facebook's attempt at "nothing to see here!" They're laying the groundwork to argue there's no need for regulation because they're proactively making privacy-oriented changes to their platform.

Re: A Privacy-Focused Vision for Social Networking

#66
post #60

I missed the section on: Advertising Profiles People expect that if they don't have a Facebook account we aren't mining their friends' address books to build profiles of them that can't be erased because they aren't our customers. We are sorry that we did that and after deleting them earlier this morning we will no longer operate that way... (not a quote, just what I'd like to have seen)

They'd never agree to delete their shadow profiles though. The thing about facebook is that they have over a billion users and information probably about another billion non-users.

Until they believe in the root of privacy, they'll never be privacy-focused.

Re: A Privacy-Focused Vision for Social Networking

#67
post #2

I just don't believe that he actually means any of this. Facebook's actions over the years do not indicate that Mark Zuckerberg cares about the privacy of his users.

Well, what does a CEO do, really? He's saying the right things, in public, which matters more than what he thinks in private.

It means at least some Facebook employees will be empowered to take action on it, because the top boss said so. We'll see what they end up building.

Re: A Privacy-Focused Vision for Social Networking

#68
The word "encrypt" appears 24 times.

But the following weasel words let Facebook shout "end-to-end encryption" from the rooftops while quietly undermining it with back doors.

> There are still many open questions here and we'll consult with safety experts, law enforcement and governments on the best ways to implement safety measures [in end-to-end encryption].

There is no way Facebook will make their services truly secure, end-to-end. They just want to clean their badly stained reputation by pretending to do so.

Re: A Privacy-Focused Vision for Social Networking

#69

I wonder, who is supposed to be the recipient of that message. People, who care about privacy, will never believe it.

>"People, who care about privacy, will never believe it."

It's hard to imagine that anyone who's even remotely familiar with him will believe it either. It's the lead story on nytimes.com now and tenor of the comments is no different than that of HN regarding his nonsense blog post.

Post reply on HN