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European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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All of that because of a stupid survey in which the ones who wanted to abolish daylight saving time were overrepresented because it gave them a platform while the majority who doesn't, didn't bother to make themselves heard. That's not quite Brexit-level but maybe Swiss immigration referendum -stupidity.

AFAIK every member state has to choose either daylight savings time or not, but it has to choose one and stick with it.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Getting rid of DST sounds like a good thing. Not messing time is patently good. But a bunch of countries on the western side of the EU ought to be on GMT instead of GMT+1. And appparently a majority of people want to make that worse, by making a permanent switch to GMT+2.

This will make for fun winters, with the sun rising long after rush hour. This is stupid.

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I work in energy trading in Europe and for us this is a blessing. Of course we store our time series TZ aware, but many less professional small utilities or other market participants (incl. Grid operators) who e.g. Order power on hourly resolution with tz-unaware excel spreadsheets via email are a nightmare as each participants treatment of double or missing hours is different and requires manual processing.

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Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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post #62

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Getting rid of DST sounds like a good thing. Not messing time is patently good. But a bunch of countries on the western side of the EU ought to be on GMT instead of GMT+1. And appparently a majority of people want to make that worse, by making a permanent switch to GMT+2. This will make for fun winters, with the sun rising long after rush hour. This is stupid.

Exactly. We talked about this in the Netherlands and permanent +2 for us is too far off. That's St Petersburg natural time, it would mean sunrise at 10am in wintertime.

If the Germans will really push for permanent +2 time, then there will be a time zone border between us.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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post #62

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Getting rid of DST sounds like a good thing. Not messing time is patently good. But a bunch of countries on the western side of the EU ought to be on GMT instead of GMT+1. And appparently a majority of people want to make that worse, by making a permanent switch to GMT+2. This will make for fun winters, with the sun rising long after rush hour. This is stupid.

There is no natural law stipulating when rush hour happens or when buissness hours should be though.

Shops will just start to open at 10 instead of 9 and workdays will start at 9 instead of 8 in those areas where this is a problem.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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Title improvement suggestion: EU Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings IMHO, EU institutions should always be referred as such instead as related to a continent, i.e., "EU Parliament" is more correct than "European Parliament"

Except there is no such thing as the EU Parliament. It is called the European Parliament:

https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/institutions-bodie...

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

#67

Title improvement suggestion: EU Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings IMHO, EU institutions should always be referred as such instead as related to a continent, i.e., "EU Parliament" is more correct than "European Parliament"

It's literally called the European Parliament. Calling it the EU Parliament is like insisting we write Micro$oft instead of Microsoft.

Referring to this institution as such means calling it the European Parliament (EP), because that is what it is formally known as in English.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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All of that because of a stupid survey in which the ones who wanted to abolish daylight saving time were overrepresented because it gave them a platform while the majority who doesn't, didn't bother to make themselves heard. That's not quite Brexit-level but maybe Swiss immigration referendum -stupidity.

Why do you think abolishing the daylight savings change is bad? Personally I think it’s a super awesome move. And note that no matter what you have against it, disrupting the sleep of billions of people twice per year has caused depression and cardiovascular issues which shouldn’t be taken lightly. So what’s the issue in everyone switching to the summer time for the whole year?

Because in the UK and Spain (the countries I have lived in) the sun would not rise until nearly 10am in winter.

Lots of people think this change is a good idea simply because they assume they would stick to the time zone that they think is best. When the millions of people who want permanent summertime realise their government will most likely choose permanent winter time then it might not seem like such a great idea any more.

This decision has been made way too fast and without proper investigation. Yes, there may be side effects of changing clocks twice per year, but how do they compare to the effects of having less light in the morning in winter or less light in the evening in summer?

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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All of that because of a stupid survey in which the ones who wanted to abolish daylight saving time were overrepresented because it gave them a platform while the majority who doesn't, didn't bother to make themselves heard. That's not quite Brexit-level but maybe Swiss immigration referendum -stupidity.

DST has demonstrated negative health effects on humans and animals alike, so framing this as a caprice of preference is very misleading. Not to mention the, also confirmed, negative side effects on economy due to required technical investments and bugs involved in constant time changes.

There's also nothing natural about it - it was enacted in wartime for now obsolete reasons.

Re: European Parliament set to end EU-wide daylight savings

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I work in energy trading in Europe and for us this is a blessing. Of course we store our time series TZ aware, but many less professional small utilities or other market participants (incl. Grid operators) who e.g. Order power on hourly resolution with tz-unaware excel spreadsheets via email are a nightmare as each participants treatment of double or missing hours is different and requires manual processing.

Naively I would like to think this was all done using a designed system, but this makes sense.

Any documented cases of the lights going out due to an email ending up in the spam folder?

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