Royalty free is the huge boon here.
Intel said that a couple of years ago, and yet you won't find an AMD laptop/desktop that supports thunderbolt.
USB4 Specification Announced: Adopting Thunderbolt 3 Protocol for 40 Gbps USB
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Re: USB4 Specification Announced: Adopting Thunderbolt 3 Protocol for 40 Gbps USB
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is not a realistic expectation, unless you are OK with your "one cable" being 0.5m long. The "one-cable" thing is a dream, unfortunately.
"Active Thunderbolt 3 cables support Thunderbolt at 40Gbps data transfer at lengths of up to 2m. Optical cables are targeted later, with lengths of up to 60m." https://blog.startech.com/post/thunderbolt-3-the-basics/
They are, of course, significantly stupidly expensive and would cost more than many devices using USB as connecting protocol.
Re: USB4 Specification Announced: Adopting Thunderbolt 3 Protocol for 40 Gbps USB
#93Is it an unpopular opinion that USB is already fast enough and has enough features and USB implementers should instead work on cost reduction and compatibility so that we can all move away from USB 2 and pre-type-C connectors?
Well you can already get cheap usb-c cables that only have usb 2 speeds and power delivery capacity, if that is what your hinting at.
Re: USB4 Specification Announced: Adopting Thunderbolt 3 Protocol for 40 Gbps USB
#94Is it an unpopular opinion that USB is already fast enough and has enough features and USB implementers should instead work on cost reduction and compatibility so that we can all move away from USB 2 and pre-type-C connectors?
I am of the extremely unpopular opinion that USB 2.0 is plenty fast for my needs. For those who do need more than 450Mb/s, however, it seems logical to standardize on a single type-C connector. But with so many competing and superseding protocols implemented over the type-C cable, I feel like labeling should be mandatory so that users know what they can and can’t use a cable for (and don’t fry a power supply or run into incompatibilities).
Re: USB4 Specification Announced: Adopting Thunderbolt 3 Protocol for 40 Gbps USB
#95Honestly, I'm waiting for old USB(USB A, USB B) to be deprecated and USB C become the new universal USB. As in ATM machine, you get the drill. Current USB cable situation is a mess - my phone is USB C, but it came with a USB A to USB C cable. Good thing I can connect it to my 2017 MacbookPro using it's original USB C charging cable! However then I can't charge. Sometimes I use a USB C to female USB A dongle to use my…
Don't get your hopes up, as this is just a dream. USB-C only specifies the connector. What your cables support, and what end devices support is anyone's guess. See for example https://superuser.com/questions/1199917/what-is-the-d-shaped... In my opinion, the mess is actually much worse with USB-C, as with earlier connectors I at least had a chance of guessing whether the cable/connection will work by looking at the c…
In practice this is significantly smaller issue than most media and techies made out to be.
Most devices are USB, they work and charge over the connector just fine. On laptops, connecting displays work as well. They will either use TB or negotiate for HDMI/DP which is also fine.
The only real outliers are crappy companies which deliberately break protocols like Nintendo on their Switch.
Re: USB4 Specification Announced: Adopting Thunderbolt 3 Protocol for 40 Gbps USB
#96I'd be curious about 40Gbps for what cable length. TB3 is great, you can in theory dock a laptop with a single cable that will do charging, 10gbe, USB hub, etc, but with a max 50cm cable, which makes it quite "un-lappable". I'd love to do the same with a 2m cable.
Copper thunderbolt limit is 3 m. Optical thunderbolt can go much farther (naturally) but I've never seen it in the wild -- it might even have been abandoned by now.
Re: USB4 Specification Announced: Adopting Thunderbolt 3 Protocol for 40 Gbps USB
#97Is it an unpopular opinion that USB is already fast enough and has enough features and USB implementers should instead work on cost reduction and compatibility so that we can all move away from USB 2 and pre-type-C connectors?
Is it fast enough for 4K120 or 8k displays?
Do we need 8K displays at all?
Re: USB4 Specification Announced: Adopting Thunderbolt 3 Protocol for 40 Gbps USB
#98Not USB 3.2 Gen 2x2x2?? Come on, consistency people!
Clearly we need a "semantic versioning" campaign for USB.
Re: USB4 Specification Announced: Adopting Thunderbolt 3 Protocol for 40 Gbps USB
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
or port color. We've used blue and red at least, guess it is time for green (in which case, confusion for the Razer Blade users).
Apple will never use coloured ports.
pulling my MacBook Pro out of my backpack to look, it looks like they aren't fans of iconography to say what a port is capable of either. Can't remember if my old 2013 MBP had the icons or not, but my current one for sure doesn't.
Re: USB4 Specification Announced: Adopting Thunderbolt 3 Protocol for 40 Gbps USB
#100Ars Technica just wrote an article about the confusing names of USB versions https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/02/usb-3-2-is-going-to-... and now they have another one about this name. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/03/thunderbolt-3-become...
I feel like hand-wringing around that is a bit overexaggerated - at the end of the day the differences really matter for only really tiny subset of devices that need those 10GBit+ transfers and in that case you can guide yourself by the "SuperSpeed 10Gbit" "Superspeed 20Gbit" logos on the actual box. For everything else the protocols are forward and backward compatible, so you just plug in the cable and it works.
So remind me, why can you walk into any apple store, pick up a new MacBook and a 5K LG monitor, and when you plug in the monitor using the USB-C cable that was bundled with the MacBook it just won't work at all?
My point is - the standards might be back and forward compatible. But the cables and ports definitely aren't - and your average consumer has absolutely no way of knowing. They look absolutely identical on the outside and when they don't work it's for completely non-obvious reasons.