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Re: De-Google-Ify Internet

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Post by kakwa_ »

chopin wrote: post #57
s9w wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do have to admit being guilty of something similar. Being German, I would never use German software (even German translations) or hardware. I have seen to many things :D

Well, it depends. Since I switched to Linux I was quite surprised to see how many of the packages have German or European maintainers.

Yes, Europe has a lot of software engineering.

The issue is Europe has very few flag ship companies in Tech.

Not sure as to why, part of it may be the fragmented nature of Europe (lot of small/medium sized countries with different languages). Part of it may be because it failed to reach a critical mass at a critical time (dotcom boom), and now, an European startup are bought by US flagships. Lastly, part of it may be because Europeans are more risk-averse than Americans, I'm French and I'm working for an US company, and the American positivism ingrained in my US colleagues is fascinating, and, to say the truth, sometimes annoying as it feels fake, it's a facade basically.

Re: De-Google-Ify Internet

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Post by sacado2 »

Cederfjard wrote: post #47
jjgreen wrote: post #39

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Not in British typography (it does in American).

That's interesting. I do it the British way when I write English (because it's the way we do it in my native language in my native country too). What's the rationale for enclosing the punctuation within the quotation marks? It's not part of the quote after all. What happens if the sentence is a question that ends with a quote? If the quote itself isn't a question, enclosing the question mark would interfere with its…

> I realize this might not be an easy question and that the answer may well be "just because".

No, the answer is "just because."

Re: De-Google-Ify Internet

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Post by kakwa_ »

icebraining wrote: post #41
HickoryDickory wrote: post #32

Only way to keep an "open" internet is to make our decision makers make open standards law. It's not perfect but it force the companies to open up their closed gardens.

What would that law make them do?

Laws already helped to break large monopolies in the past.

At one point, the internet giants will probably be broken into several entities as they start to have detrimental effect on society, we are seeing the early stages with Zuckerberg's testimony in front of Congress for example.

It will probably happen by breaking down the various services provided by these giants (AWS/Amazon, gmail/search/youtube, etc).

Re: De-Google-Ify Internet

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Post by sridca »

mkettn wrote: post #17
diszd wrote: post #6

https://degooglisons-internet.org/img/Peha-Banquet-CC-By-192... This is not what I want the Internet to be.

At least Google and Apple are big contributors to open source software (e.g. Chromium, CUPS). Instead of roasting big companies (because... privacy?) we should work together. This picture does more harm, because it view companies purely as enemies.

Sensible comment getting downvoted by alarmist HN. What a surprise.

Re: De-Google-Ify Internet

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Post by SiempreViernes »

icebraining wrote: post #52
SiempreViernes wrote: post #28

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The same way wikipedia or the linux foundation keeps running I suppose.

The Linux Foundation is more like a Chamber of Commerce: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/board-members/

Sorry! I was wrong. Linux is much older than the Linux foundation, though that has no effect on my larger point of course.

Re: De-Google-Ify Internet

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Post by growlist »

angieg wrote: post #60
growlist wrote: post #30

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They could at least run this page through a spell checker. If they can't get that right, then..

as written before, we are french and the translation in english of our homepage has been done by french people too... Let us know what we can change / correct and we'll do it.

Independence not independance

Re: De-Google-Ify Internet

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Post by eitland »

diszd wrote: post #6

https://degooglisons-internet.org/img/Peha-Banquet-CC-By-192... This is not what I want the Internet to be.

Oh come on. Let us have some fun, here is one of my favourites, "bliss kaboom!" which shows tux with a rocket launcher: https://hdwallpapers.cat/bliss-kaboom-tux-rocket-launcher-an...

(although I admit I've changed my view of Microsoft (from lawful evil to somewhere close to lawful neutral) and Google (from chaotic good to somewhere between chaotic neutral and chaotic evil).

Re: De-Google-Ify Internet

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Post by commoner »

czechdeveloper wrote: post #8

Also known as "complicating your life significantly for little benefit".

There are plenty of people who disagree that switching from Google to free and open source alternatives provides little benefit. You can start with folks who lose their Google accounts for spurious reasons, with no means of recourse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19124324

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15197357

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4013799

Re: De-Google-Ify Internet

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Post by saagarjha »

kome wrote: post #50
saagarjha wrote: post #26

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> At least Google and Apple are big contributors to open source software (e.g. Chromium, CUPS). …that's a strange choice. Basically every company in that comic contributes in some way to open source.

Contributing to open source is not contributing to free software, the big 5 are indeed all doing quite the opposite: creating walled gardens, trying to monopolize the distribution of software and goods, and pushing for a web monoculture. Also, they are making the web a more centralist and frankly, boring, place.

That's why I said "open source" and not "free software". Those companies do contribute a bit to "free software", but really only in token amounts.
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