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Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Americans complaining about spying by other governments, even if true, would be the top of hypochresy. It is so blatantly clear that the motivations to fight Huawei are mainly because of losing the technology race, that it is not even funny. That the US pretends to dictate to free countries what they should buy or sanction (Iran) is not cool. That the US complains about state intervention when its whole technology le…

> You know what? Just let the world be.

You think powerful countries just "let everyone be"? They normally act way, way worse than anything the US has ever done.

Read a history book.

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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I'm out of the loop and Google is of no help and may even be censored on my device. What's going on?

It's FUD based on the factless propaganda the US government is spouting out. Nothing more.

The founder was Chinese military, the early funding came from government sources, and several official gov white papers state Huawei as a national security priority.

I don't know what you accomplish by denying something so basic and provable.

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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Uuh so China is doing drone bombings in the US then or how's that gonna work?

No, they're doing bombings, massacres, and death camps inside their own country.

Yes so how does that affect someone in the US or Europe?

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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> multiple intelligence agencies investigating them and stating that their hardware shouldn't be used, practically being an arm of the Chinese military intelligence Has anyone come forward with /any/ hard evidence that implicates huawei spying on their customers? This is my biggest gripe in this whole mess. The fact that no evidence has surfaced yet, despite how easily obtainable it would be for govs, indicates to me…

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I appreciate the intention in your comment to promote greater tolerance, but posting in the flamewar style is exactly the wrong way to do it, and violates the site guidelines. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow them, we'd appreciate it.

Edit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19261926 was another example of how people aren't allowed to post here, and looking back further I notice https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18159584. Would you please not post like this again?

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

#135

Huawei was created as a front organization for China's intelligence service. This has been known for years; long before the Iran deal. We know it and they deny it. That's how the game has always been played with respect to Huawei. Other Chinese companies like Lenovo have exhibited tendencies to spy, but AFAIK only Huawei originated as essentially an arm of the Chinese CIA. That's what makes Huawei different.

Since everybody's asking for sources, here are a few.

HPSCI (Rogers/Ruppersberger) report (2012):

https://republicans-intelligence.house.gov/sites/intelligenc...

Story about Rogers report (2012):

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/09/us/us-panel-calls-huawei-...

Australia Bars Huawei From Broadband Project (2012):

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/27/technology/australia-bars...

CBS News interview with Rogers (2012):

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/huawei-probed-for-security-espi...

Analysis: Who really owns Huawei? (2010):

https://www.itnews.com.au/news/analysis-who-really-owns-huaw...

Foreign involvement in the Critical National Infrastructure (UK 2013):

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachm...

The History Of Tech Giant Huawei And The Chinese Government (2018):

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/07/674467994/huawei-and-the-chin...

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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> We build base stations in the harshest environments, like the Arctic Circle, the Sahara, rainforests in South America, and even on Mount Everest. In the wake of disasters like the tsunami in Indonesia, the nuclear disaster in Japan, and the massive earthquake in Chile, our employees were some of the first on the ground, working tirelessly to restore communications networks and support disaster relief. Then, after y…

huh? Huawei pays very well, and there is a reason it is paid very well. You don't get that kind of money for being a baby.

Why is that being a "baby"? Shouldn't you expect high standards of behavior?

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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post #132
post #108

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It's FUD based on the factless propaganda the US government is spouting out. Nothing more.

The founder was Chinese military, the early funding came from government sources, and several official gov white papers state Huawei as a national security priority. I don't know what you accomplish by denying something so basic and provable.

> The founder was Chinese military

As was pretty much every other male adult of his generation. I don't see what this supposedly proves.

> the early funding came from government sources

Something which isn't all too uncommon, both in China and across the world. Silicon Valley itself was built on DoD money. Again, this is grasping straws.

> and several official gov white papers state Huawei as a national security priority.

That can be interpreted in a lot of different ways. For one, Trump made the exact same statement about the US coal and steel industry. Is the rest of the world supposed to ban US coal and steel now because of that? Again, this doesn't prove anything at all. It's just interpretative fear-mongering.

I'll tell you what we have: Numerous backdoors in Cisco equipment and official government documents that the NSA used Cisco for spying operations. This is a fact.

On Huawei's side, all we have are comments from the US government. The very organization with a decades long track record of global mass surveillance, among other things. There is no proof of backdoors, despite GCHQ having inspected their hard- and software for the past 8 years. In fact, there isn't any evidence at all that the Chinese government has used Huawei for their spying operations in any capacity. They most certainly could force them to, but the exact same thing can be said about the US government, who also has a track record of having done exactly that already.

Show me actual proof and I'll revise my opinion, but until then I'll call this out for what it is: Just another US-gov-led witch hunt.

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

#138

Huawei was created as a front organization for China's intelligence service. This has been known for years; long before the Iran deal. We know it and they deny it. That's how the game has always been played with respect to Huawei. Other Chinese companies like Lenovo have exhibited tendencies to spy, but AFAIK only Huawei originated as essentially an arm of the Chinese CIA. That's what makes Huawei different.

Read "How Huawei tried to sell itself to Motorola for $7.5bn" which was published by FT four days ago. The deal was advised by JP Morgan and Morgan Stanley. It fell through at the final stage due to leadership change at Motorola. I don't see how your unsubstantiated statement could possibly be reconciled with FT reporting. You should retract your statement unless you have better evidence than FT.

It's easily reconciled, to the point that the conclusion is hard to avoid, even: Huawei could have been trying to embed its personnel with their nationalist agenda into Motorola. This would have furthered that agenda tremendously.

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

#139

I don't think Huawei understands it, or they do but trying not to show. The West dont have problem with Huawei, the west have problems with CCP. And there isn't a single International Chinese company that doesn't have some form of Guanxi with CCP.

Actually, Huawei has stolen IP from a number of western organizations. So the disdain isn't only for the CCP.

Re: Huawei Facts: An open letter to the US media

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post #137
post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The founder was Chinese military, the early funding came from government sources, and several official gov white papers state Huawei as a national security priority. I don't know what you accomplish by denying something so basic and provable.

> The founder was Chinese military As was pretty much every other male adult of his generation. I don't see what this supposedly proves. > the early funding came from government sources Something which isn't all too uncommon, both in China and across the world. Silicon Valley itself was built on DoD money. Again, this is grasping straws. > and several official gov white papers state Huawei as a national security prio…

> Silicon Valley itself was built on DoD money.

Yes and the result wasn't Intel and Cisco de facto owned by DoD/IC. Your need for two different things to be the same is confusing, but no doubt central to your worldview.

> Numerous backdoors in Cisco equipment and official government documents that the NSA used Cisco for spying operations

Did the US gov order them be put there? Did they even have to make the order, as all major tech networking companies are arms of state intel anyways? No?

Well then what are you talking about?

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