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Can China recover from its disastrous one-child policy?

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Re: Can China recover from its disastrous one-child policy?

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This is what it looks like to be on the defecting side of a prisoner's dilemma, the same as saying 'look how much it hurt the economy for those dummies who tried to fight climate change by not using coal!'

We had a huge push in the 1970s to cut down on overpopulation for the common good, China did more than its part, and now everyone else is like "Hey, if I encourage people to think having children is good, my economy will get bigger and I'll start winning the game!"

Re: Can China recover from its disastrous one-child policy?

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This is what it looks like to be on the defecting side of a prisoner's dilemma, the same as saying 'look how much it hurt the economy for those dummies who tried to fight climate change by not using coal!' We had a huge push in the 1970s to cut down on overpopulation for the common good, China did more than its part, and now everyone else is like "Hey, if I encourage people to think having children is good, my econom…

The economy can only get bigger with mote people if there is enough food, shelter, and jobs for those people.

China, especially when it was anti-capitalist in 1970s, had trouble with food, shelter, and gainful employment. They had to curb the population growth, or face famine and riots down the line.

After China has in fact embraced private property and market economy, the situation has improved drastically, food self-sufficiency has been achieved, economy kept growing like mad, etc.

After enough people have completed the transition from poor countryside, where you make mote children to have helping hands, to urban settings, the birth rates have naturally plummeted. So they were able to repeal the one-child policy.

Re: Can China recover from its disastrous one-child policy?

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Thing of note should be that the One-Child policy itself actually has many supporters in China with 76% of people approving of it in 2008 in a Pew Global Survey, they likely saw it as necessary as anybody in China can attest to the fact that cities in China are overpopulated even under One-Child Policy. The survey I've cited is below and the finding is in the Additional Findings section. http://www.pewglobal.org/2008…

It’s like they are also likely to genuinely support the Communist Party. Propaganda works.

Not just propaganda. Likely there's no one else serious to support, and supporting a fringe group is outright dangerous.

Re: Can China recover from its disastrous one-child policy?

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The scariest part here is the acknowledgement that the Chinese government will, at some point, turn to coercive measures to increase the birth rate. When it looks like Handmaiden's Tale and talks like Handmaiden's Tale...

They could always turn to immigration. Large swaths of developing Asia and Africa would love those salaries. Immigrants are easy to track too since you get all their biometrics and can scare them with taking away visas if they do any counterrevolutionary activities.

Re: Can China recover from its disastrous one-child policy?

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Thing of note should be that the One-Child policy itself actually has many supporters in China with 76% of people approving of it in 2008 in a Pew Global Survey, they likely saw it as necessary as anybody in China can attest to the fact that cities in China are overpopulated even under One-Child Policy. The survey I've cited is below and the finding is in the Additional Findings section. http://www.pewglobal.org/2008…

And yet China also has entire "ghost cities" which are underpopulated.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/panosmourdoukoutas/2019/02/17/c...

Re: Can China recover from its disastrous one-child policy?

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post #10

There seems to be a dogma that the population must grow, and any sign that it might stop growing at some point is bad. "Go Forth and Multiply" as it were. Personally I believe that population growth can't go on forever in a finite world. But even if it could, I think we should prefer quality over quantity when it comes to human lives.

>There seems to be a dogma that the population must grow, and any sign that it might stop growing at some point is bad.

Well, when you have most nations in the world making Keynesian policies that assume future economic growth (China included), then yes it's a bad thing. In that case, you're left with an ageing population who previously planned for their retirement investments to carry them, but instead must rely on government services funded by a much smaller, younger working population.

Re: Can China recover from its disastrous one-child policy?

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A good saying is that once a country gets used to a low amount of children it usually stays that way. So no they can't

China is much better than western countries at getting shit like this done, because they have fewer scruples. For better and worse. But one consequence of that is that if they really want more children they will figure out a way to make it happen.

Re: Can China recover from its disastrous one-child policy?

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

World population: 1980 - 4.4 billion 2019 - 7.7 billion This has a massive impact on our environmental footprint and on climate change. But, right, let's not intrude into a person's life, that would be abhorrent...

Should a government have the power to dictate how many children we have? That does not seem abhorrent to you? Strange days when one is downvoted for criticizing China's immoral and brutal policy that violated the most basic of human rights.

Are doing ignoring what I wrote on purpose?

The issue is personal rights vs. general good.

In the end an individual's liberty ends when his actions are having a serious negative impact on the community.

Re: Can China recover from its disastrous one-child policy?

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post #27

A good saying is that once a country gets used to a low amount of children it usually stays that way. So no they can't

China is much better than western countries at getting shit like this done, because they have fewer scruples. For better and worse. But one consequence of that is that if they really want more children they will figure out a way to make it happen.

What about korea and japan which also have had this problem, aren't western, and still can't fix the problem. The West doesn't have this problem because the found the solution a long time ago. Immigration

Re: Can China recover from its disastrous one-child policy?

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is much better than western countries at getting shit like this done, because they have fewer scruples. For better and worse. But one consequence of that is that if they really want more children they will figure out a way to make it happen.

What about korea and japan which also have had this problem, aren't western, and still can't fix the problem. The West doesn't have this problem because the found the solution a long time ago. Immigration

(South) Korea and Japan are completely different from China. Like they aren't as brutal and they are not dictatorships.

You could maybe try to make a comparison with North Korea and some Arabic countries.

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