The scariest part here is the acknowledgement that the Chinese government will, at some point, turn to coercive measures to increase the birth rate.
When it looks like Handmaiden's Tale and talks like Handmaiden's Tale...
Can China recover from its disastrous one-child policy?
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Re: Can China recover from its disastrous one-child policy?
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
World population: 1980 - 4.4 billion 2019 - 7.7 billion This has a massive impact on our environmental footprint and on climate change. But, right, let's not intrude into a person's life, that would be abhorrent...
Should a government have the power to dictate how many children we have? That does not seem abhorrent to you? Strange days when one is downvoted for criticizing China's immoral and brutal policy that violated the most basic of human rights.
The One-Child policy isn't a hard policy wherein you are punished physically or imprisoned for having more than one child, it's a fine, albeit quite heavy, hence why the average number of children in China in 2016 is 1.62 which exceeds 1 child per family because half of Chinese parents had around 2 children during the One-Child Policy.
The reason why you're being downvoted is because the One-Child policy is actually quite popular in China. A Pew Global survey in 2008 found 76% of Chinese approve of the One-Child Policy (Scroll to Additional Findings section in link cited).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy
http://www.pewglobal.org/2008/07/22/the-chinese-celebrate-th...
Re: Can China recover from its disastrous one-child policy?
#13The one-child policy saved China and the world. China might have hit 2 billions by now without it. The issue is that is has been too effective, especially for the level of development of the country, so that China is hitting a "first world problem" before having first world resources.
Read the article. It includes a graph that show that fertility was already drastically dropping before one-child was introduced.
Hans Rosling did a lot of work on communicating birthrate in the developing world and how in general they trend towards the replacement rate ted talk where he goes over it:https://vimeo.com/79878808
Re: Can China recover from its disastrous one-child policy?
#14Thing of note should be that the One-Child policy itself actually has many supporters in China with 76% of people approving of it in 2008 in a Pew Global Survey, they likely saw it as necessary as anybody in China can attest to the fact that cities in China are overpopulated even under One-Child Policy. The survey I've cited is below and the finding is in the Additional Findings section.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2008/07/22/the-chinese-celebrate-th...
Re: Can China recover from its disastrous one-child policy?
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Should a government have the power to dictate how many children we have? That does not seem abhorrent to you? Strange days when one is downvoted for criticizing China's immoral and brutal policy that violated the most basic of human rights.
The One-Child policy isn't a hard policy wherein you are punished physically or imprisoned for having more than one child, it's a fine, albeit quite heavy, hence why the average number of children in China in 2016 is 1.62 which exceeds 1 child per family because half of Chinese parents had around 2 children during the One-Child Policy. The reason why you're being downvoted is because the One-Child policy is actually…
> The One-Child policy isn't a hard policy wherein you are punished physically or imprisoned for having more than one child, it's a fine, [...]
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy#Mandatory_con...
> As part of the policy, women were required to have a contraceptive intrauterine device (IUD) surgically installed after having a first child, and to be sterilized by tubal ligation after having a second child. From 1980 to 2014, 324 million Chinese women were fitted with IUDs in this way and 108 million were sterilized. Women who refused these procedures – which many resented – could lose their government employment and their children could lose access to education or health services. The IUDs installed in this way were modified such that they could not be removed manually, but only through surgery.
Re: Can China recover from its disastrous one-child policy?
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Should a government have the power to dictate how many children we have? That does not seem abhorrent to you? Strange days when one is downvoted for criticizing China's immoral and brutal policy that violated the most basic of human rights.
The One-Child policy isn't a hard policy wherein you are punished physically or imprisoned for having more than one child, it's a fine, albeit quite heavy, hence why the average number of children in China in 2016 is 1.62 which exceeds 1 child per family because half of Chinese parents had around 2 children during the One-Child Policy. The reason why you're being downvoted is because the One-Child policy is actually…
Thanks for the response.
It would certainly be sloppy logic to merge the statistical information with the poll data. Nevertheless, doing so reveals something not very surprising and illustrative of human nature: you can always find a majority in favor of imposing a draconian restriction on "everyone else." :)
Re: Can China recover from its disastrous one-child policy?
#17The title is bogus for what's actually a good article.
People are having fewer kids where the economic future for their kids is poor. This factor applies to the US as well: e.g. fewer kids are born during recessions. The article even says so, and merely asserts the "problem" of the OCP.
Just look to countries that suffered devastating wars to see how this has been handled in the past: immigration or simply abandoning a segment of the population. Germany imported many Gastarbeiter from Turkey (neutral in WWII) in the 1950s. As for abandonment: look at the number of never-married women in Europe and the US among the cohort born between 1890-1910, or the fact that in the US poverty among the elderly became acutely visible, and addressed, in the 1960s due to the combo of the earlier never-married and those who'd lost children who could have supported them.
If china really comes to suffer from the demographic overhang of the elderly, as Japan does already, they can turn to automation and immigration. Automation looks like a boon compared to abandonment! Not to mention the huge unemployment problem in china which could be solved by the "shift to services" (i.e. elder care) which doesn't require as much specialized training.
Re: Can China recover from its disastrous one-child policy?
#18There seems to be a dogma that the population must grow, and any sign that it might stop growing at some point is bad. "Go Forth and Multiply" as it were. Personally I believe that population growth can't go on forever in a finite world. But even if it could, I think we should prefer quality over quantity when it comes to human lives.
But if only one game-theory players does not follow your logic, and sticks to quantity- he will have many lottery tickets in the inevitable collapse and civil wars that result. Thus i declare my behaviour in this arms-race holy and sanctioned off by god.
Thus religion wins at a infinite game, where only continuesly playing is the reward.
Re: Can China recover from its disastrous one-child policy?
#19The scariest part here is the acknowledgement that the Chinese government will, at some point, turn to coercive measures to increase the birth rate. When it looks like Handmaiden's Tale and talks like Handmaiden's Tale...
Note to myself, do not buy chinese produced condoms. Quality is expected to fluctuate - as if a PID Controler was applied.
Re: Can China recover from its disastrous one-child policy?
#20Thing of note should be that the One-Child policy itself actually has many supporters in China with 76% of people approving of it in 2008 in a Pew Global Survey, they likely saw it as necessary as anybody in China can attest to the fact that cities in China are overpopulated even under One-Child Policy. The survey I've cited is below and the finding is in the Additional Findings section. http://www.pewglobal.org/2008…
It’s like they are also likely to genuinely support the Communist Party. Propaganda works.