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Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by steelframe »

xedeon wrote: post #523
steelframe wrote: post #485

Current Tesla Model X owner. Wanted to replace our other car (ICE) with an EV. Sat in the Model 3 for exactly 15 seconds before I said, "Nope!" Never warmed up to the whole "must hit GUI elements on an LCD with my finger while driving" thing Tesla has going on for almost anything you want to do: A/C, headlights, suspension height, whatever. Interior is still second-rate. Steering column adjustment was a joke. The int…

I'm curious about your reasoning for going with the Jag. Never had an issue with bluetooth on our Model S/X. The X with the tow package made it very utilitarian and practical. Not to mention the ease and convenience when it comes to child/baby seats. Moreover, the I-PACE however is an engineering disaster. They did not develop the motor/inverter/aero enough and wastes power. They ended up needing a bigger battery to…

I guess I don't care about the efficiency at all. The features I do care about are whether I have enough range to use it the way I need to and whether it accelerates fast. On both counts it does perfectly fine. I might pay a little more for amount of electricity I use, but that's not exactly the "high-order bit" in terms of the TCO of the vehicle.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by steelframe »

gregw2 wrote: post #600
steelframe wrote: post #481

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I just bought a car this week and got a loan because the lender gave me $3,000 for borrowing from them. I have to wait 45 days before I'm allowed to pay it off, but there's no penalty for doing so. I have a 0% interest rate for 7 years on my other car. That's literally free money.

Typically it's not free money. You chose to forgo getting/negotiating a greater discount on the purchase price. There's no way the lender could do business otherwise.

My 7-year 0% loan is on my Tesla. You can't negotiate the price of a new Tesla.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by marssaxman »

jjeaff wrote: post #536
ghaff wrote: post #526

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There are no haggle dealers and have been no haggle brands from time to time. One problem is that the people who like and think of themselves as driving a hard bargain don’t like the inability to do so

Those that truly do know how to work the system should be able to get a better deal. Subsidized of course by those who are not good at it. Or who don't care.

Where I come from, we call those people "assholes".

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by 1123581321 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #694
jancsika wrote: post #691

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> In other words I want the dealer to optimise for that variable and as long as they meet my constraint for affording the down and monthly payments then I don't care how those vary as long as the optimisation goal is met. But you would have already told them, "As long as I can afford..." So they'll spend the entire exchange trying to optimize for the maximum amount they think you can afford. They can try to convince…

I don’t understand how you think it’s any different - you ask ‘can you reduce the price for the paint finish’ and I ask ‘can you reduce the bottom line price’. In both cases it’s the same reduction in their profit margin. Why do a dance around which line item it supposedly comes off?

Because they will say no to your question and yes to jancsika’s question. We’ve given you some reasons why rhetorical/persuasive skill and willingness to work to find an angle on a negotiation improves the results.

There is a difference simply because the results are different, whether due to the need to save face, behavior psychology, sales training, or more intangible factors.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by dmitrygr »

dmitrygr wrote: post #80

Actually: $36,200 Tesla charges a non-negotiable $1,200 "Destination & doc fee" which in CA is not a fee . It is not state mandated, and is just pure profit for dealerships that charge it (explaining why the amount varies wildly per-dealership). Google it. It is NOT required anywhere, and all cars I've ever bought, I've gotten the dealership to pay it.

What other fees can a dealer charge on a new vehicle?

Dealers may charge buyers a document preparation service fee not to exceed $65 (or $80 if a Business Partner Automation (BPA) program participant). This fee is not required or collected by the department.

source: CA DMV: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/fee_calc/feecalcfaq

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by Dylan16807 »

olyjohn wrote: post #680
sytelus wrote: post #619

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What you call “law” is mandate established by car dealers by buying off politicians. This is one of the most disgusting monopolistic snake oil business that had little chance of surviving otherwise for so long. Musk is doing great favor to all of us by showing them middle finger and letting them know that they can’t hide behind their purchased politicians.

Honest question, where do Tesla owners take their cars for repairs if there are no dealerships? I always thought the dealership laws were pretty consumer friendly in this way. I can find dealerships and independent shops to have my cars repaired pretty much anywhere in the country. Tesla doesn't let anybody else fix their cars. So you have to take it to their... what, repair center?

Laws that make independent shops possible are great.

Dealerships may or may not have your best pricing interests in mind, so forcing them to exist is not particularly useful.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by mawburn »

thebluehawk wrote: post #679
pembrook wrote: post #592

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I don't disagree with you that the bolt is inferior. I was simply explaining why HN was "ignoring the amazing fact that an electric vehicle that can travel 220 miles is 35k." It's not worthy of awe and amazement if big old lazy GM met those standards years ago.

The iPhone wasn't a massive success because there were no other smart phones out there. It was that it was a much more compelling product than what the competitors were making. The Bolt is the blackberry of EVs. Sure, on paper it checks the "mass market EV" boxes but no one is geeking out in cult-like fashion about Bolts like they do for iPhones and Teslas.

I mean, the iPhone was kind of the only good smartphone that was actually a "smart phone", when it came out. There was nothing even remotely comparable until they were a few years into Android. I remember even the first few lines of Droids that came out and they were substantially inferior products.

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Post by treve »

BoorishBears wrote: post #632
treve wrote: post #423

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Maybe don't take out a 60K loan for a luxury item? I understand a car is essential for some people, but 60K is a very expensive one.

You’re like the 3rd person to say this and I have to assume you’re not that good with money if you think tying up 60 thousand dollars in a car when interest rates are at 2 percent makes sense. There’s a level of financial knowledge that’s just dangerous enough to hurt you, and I’d say this is it.

Yet here we are, one of us is having problems with credit, because they took a 60K loan on a luxury item and then decided they didn't like it. What was your next big loan for?

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by brewdad »

eunoia wrote: post #674
amclennon wrote: post #653

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I don't think that's actually true. My Volvo was around ~$5k cheaper (plus free plane tickets to Sweden) when I picked it up from the factory. This also takes into account the complimentary shipment to my local dealer in the United States. I've been told that BMW has a similar European Delivery program.

Hi fellow Volvo OSDer. It truly is a wonderful program. But there's a difference between the OSD MSRP discount. (i.e. buying off the OSD price sheet) and the standalone "Destination Fee" line item. Further, even though Volvo ships the car back to the the states for free for you, it's up to the dealership (and potentially your negotiation skills) whether they still add that destination fee to the final bill.

If your dealer is adding delivery or prep fees to your Volvo OSD, talk to Corporate. That's a big no-no in the program. Doesn't stop some dealers from doing it however. If I recall correctly, the only fees they can add are processing fees if they handle the DMV paperwork on your behalf.
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