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Re: Ask HN: Tools or sites you use to scope out a workplace before taking a job?

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Crisis story can be looked at as advertising or setting the table. You leave your old company with a reason and everyone feels better. Your image is safe and your backstory. If anyone feels like this is dishonest what do you tell your new employer about why you are truly leaving the old position. Do you tell them the owner was rude and you told him off or do you say you left because of a bad personality fit? You are…

> Crisis story can be looked at as advertising or setting the table. I'm sorry, it's simply bald-faced lying. If I found out any of my hires had done this, I'd fire them. > what do you tell your new employer about why you are truly leaving the old position. I rarely need to tell them anything, but if they ask, I say "I'm seeking new challenges". It's not a lie, and it avoids potentially bad-mouthing prior employers.…

Seeking new challenges is not being honest either. But it makes you see the person in a different light compared to the other more accurate version. That's what is happening with the personal crisis story.

Would you fire that same person if you discover a year later new challenges meant hated old boss and told them off?

Just curious are the positions you manage that easy to fill that you can fire at random?

If someone I knew was fired for that reason a lawsuit would be very likely. The manager would be let go after they lost cost the company so much money. I'm not in the US so I understand the rules might be different but usually you can't fire someone because they broke your personal moral code.

Re: Ask HN: Tools or sites you use to scope out a workplace before taking a job?

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https://levels.fyi to make sure the level/comp accurately represents what i'm looking for

This is absolutely fascinating. I don't know how folks are earing this kind of cash when you can go to a recruiter, with more than decade of hands-on startup experience, and when you want more than 200k a year they look at you like you just kicked their cat. Then you see someone at a place like Lyft with four years of real world experience and one year with the company pulling 300-400k a year without breaking a sweat…

Co-Founder here. Data is crowdsourced but we manually check it regularly to filter out spam. We have enough data now where outliers are weeded out. We've gotten feedback from the community that our data is some of the best compensation data for Bay Area tech companies.

Re: Ask HN: Tools or sites you use to scope out a workplace before taking a job?

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You can (sometimes) use GitHub to figure out if the company has bad work/life balance, e.g. if you see lots of employees committing code on the weekend on the same dates: https://codewithoutrules.com/2019/01/31/does-company-have-wo...

You'd just end up mistaking commits to my private repositories for work. Also, private contributions have to be enabled in order to show up there.

Isn’t it a bad idea to use the same account for work as well as personal projects?

Currently I have a separate ‘home’ account for personal projects and I never touch the work ID from my home.

Re: Ask HN: Tools or sites you use to scope out a workplace before taking a job?

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https://levels.fyi to make sure the level/comp accurately represents what i'm looking for

This is absolutely fascinating. I don't know how folks are earing this kind of cash when you can go to a recruiter, with more than decade of hands-on startup experience, and when you want more than 200k a year they look at you like you just kicked their cat. Then you see someone at a place like Lyft with four years of real world experience and one year with the company pulling 300-400k a year without breaking a sweat…

>> IPO rocket ship

The attractiveness of this depends on whether it goes up or down. It's anybody's guess which way it'll go.

Re: Ask HN: Tools or sites you use to scope out a workplace before taking a job?

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Please keep in mind that the tips/tools/techniques that people list are highly subjective and may not be applicable everywhere. I realized this from my own experience (worked at two startups in the past, and now at BigCo):

* Glassdoor: Sort reviews by date (people are relatively happy when they join, negative reviews tend to be more current). Take every review (good/bad) with a grain of salt. Reviews with higher "helpful" counts could be more reliable because there are so many companies where the HR writes glowing reviews

* Crunchbase: To know more about the funding situation, list of execs, etc.

* levels.fyi: Salary info. Also check h1bsalaryinfo (website). May/may not be applicable to you, but will give you an idea of what your peers potentially make.

* LinkedIn: Search the name of the company, click on the "People" tab, and look at the list of people who match your background, and then dig out their backgrounds. How long have they been working at the company, what are their previous jobs, how well do you think their background support their roles (even before you talk to them). At my previous company, there were a bunch of people who did sub-par job of being software engineers at their previous companies, and took director/lead/vp roles purely based on their years or experience rather than technical expertise and screwed up the mission big time. This tends to happen at medium/big companies more frequently than at small startups.

* On-site interviews: I know it is going to be extremely hard to gauge a team/company while they are gauging you, but this can be done. Prepare your questions beforehand, and try to see how close or vague their responses are.

* Blind (app) or teamblind (on web): Search for the company and look for comments/questions etc. There may be some discussions which may not be applicable, but it doesn't hurt to search.

* GitHub/Medium: Some companies/startups have their own pages, or at least their team members do (although not current). It'd be good to check those as well.

* Cold emailing: Previous and current employees. Not many will respond, but if even one or two do, I'd highly value their input

* Coffee: Doesn't hurt to try (most people are willing to do this, but don't do this just because they don't have time, or feel awkward about meeting new people)

Most of these will be applicable for smaller companies/startups, but at big companies, it'll be tough knowing all the people you will work with. Ultimately, it's going to boil down to few things:

(a) your instincts: whether you feel you'll fit right in or not, whether the company is good for you or not, whether you believe in the core mission or not. I tend to believe this more.

(b) your team: a good team/team member can make your life at work the best experience or the worst experience. And unfortunately, there is no way to predict this unless you give it a chance.

Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: Tools or sites you use to scope out a workplace before taking a job?

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> Do you email people who work there? No. They'll rarely tell you anything useful because they'd risk their job. Focus on former employees instead if you really must. (And only stick to recent ones if you do, because companies change.) But IMHO you don't actually need to do this nowadays. > Do you just jump in and hope for the best? Absolutely not. At the very least check out their website, their execs, and your futu…

I think there is some sort of anti-astroturfing on glassdoor. The salary that they have for us is absurd. It's something like the starting pay at In-N-Out or Chick-Fil-A, for an experienced and specialized software job.

I wonder where that comes from. Perhaps it is from Glassdoor itself, trying to force companies to enter into some sort of business arrangement to correct the nonsense. Perhaps competitors are trying to make us look awful. I'd like to think that the culprit overplayed their hand, and that everybody will disregard the nonsense, but probably some people believe it.

Re: Ask HN: Tools or sites you use to scope out a workplace before taking a job?

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https://levels.fyi to make sure the level/comp accurately represents what i'm looking for

This is absolutely fascinating. I don't know how folks are earing this kind of cash when you can go to a recruiter, with more than decade of hands-on startup experience, and when you want more than 200k a year they look at you like you just kicked their cat. Then you see someone at a place like Lyft with four years of real world experience and one year with the company pulling 300-400k a year without breaking a sweat…

> I just gotta stop and ask myself sometimes what the fuck I’m doing wrong.

Don’t know anything about you beyond your github and HN profile, but I‘ll speculate: perhaps getting hired at 200k or less by the right company is the key to earning 300k+ within a year, while getting hired at 300k is unlikely unless you come straight from a corp/position that is known to pay more.

Re: Ask HN: Tools or sites you use to scope out a workplace before taking a job?

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Crunchbase to get current and former founders/execs, last rounds etc. Company website for investor relations page if exists, SEC and regulatory filings to get financials, technology roadmaps, prospectuses, etc. Then avoid pinging anyone on linkedin other than to find who the core informal network that runs the company is. Find out: 1. Revenue and runway before next funding round or profitability. This trumps all in p…

>2. Whether board members and executives still have skin in the game and holding their stock. If board is full of early shareholders who have already been made whole, chances are you aren't their next unicorn, there is no explosive growth, and they've checked out. Expect executive level bullshit politics related to their short term compensation milestones.

Can you elaborate on that?

Re: Ask HN: Tools or sites you use to scope out a workplace before taking a job?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd just end up mistaking commits to my private repositories for work. Also, private contributions have to be enabled in order to show up there.

Isn’t it a bad idea to use the same account for work as well as personal projects? Currently I have a separate ‘home’ account for personal projects and I never touch the work ID from my home.

If there are separate accounts then the organisation will likely be private, and you wouldn't be able to research the user accounts in the first place.

Re: Ask HN: Tools or sites you use to scope out a workplace before taking a job?

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If you're a software engineer (or will work closely w/ engineers), I built Key Values ( https://www.keyvalues.com ) to help w/ this. Before building KV though, my research process included looking for and reading: - the company's career and about us pages - an active blog w/ recent posts (w/in the last 2 months) - LinkedIn / Twitter / GitHub of founders and existing team members (I'd also look for any old blogs writt…

bookmarked. Will use in the future. I love the simplistic UX.
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