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YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by spookthesunset »

balls187 wrote: post #260
m23khan wrote: post #151

As a Father of very young kids, I think this is nothing short of emergency. Not only commenting on kids videos should be banned, also youtube should heavily vet and tag all their kids related videos -- these days kids are hooked on watching cartoons and poems on youtube and a lot of times, there are really garbage videos targeting kids just showing little girls buying and playing with make ups, cleaning houses and le…

Also, personally, Youtube should not show ANY ads on kids content.

Then pay for YouTube red...

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by jachee »

mulmen wrote: post #357
dosshell wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I'm reading the words to strictly - We will stop giving you money - We will force you to stop by delete the channel I guess it can feel the same for many creators and be the same thing when communicating on twitter. (No sarcasm intended)

Where does it strictly say they will delete the channel?

His point is that it doesn't.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by odessacubbage »

colechristensen wrote: post #345
disillusioned wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that there's an element of validation and indoctrination that is a serious concern here. In addition to an overall significant lowering of the discourse around things by allowing garbage quality trolls and other horrible comments, and in addition to bullying, aggressive behavior, stalking, and other things that are broadly considered unpleasant, this kind of behavior breeds more of this behavior. Consider som…

This is one of the reasons I think anonymity on the Internet is a bad thing. Not that I am saying it should be banned, but it should not be the norm. Much of the toxicity simply would not happen, could be prosecuted, or could be filtered if a "real person" attribute was widely available.

you need only look as far back as the covington incident to see that 'real people' are hardly inhibited from vile and abusive behavior just as long as they believe themselves to be on the right side of the mob. this has been the case since time immemorial. in my admittedly anecdotal experience, fully anon communities are far more respectful & a have a better standard of decorum than communities with high standards of verification, even and perhaps especially in dealing with the sorts of topics that tend to make more highly regulated forums collapse into flame wars. real name communities are prone to witch hunts, purity tests and all sorts of hysteria full of very real life consequences. anons just call you a retarded faggot.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by spookthesunset »

jake_the_third wrote: post #365
ltbarcly3 wrote: post #359

This is just idiotic. Rather than removing videos that creeps are into, or in any way addressing the situation where their platform is being used by creeps, they are just removing the evidence that creeps are there so we won't be able to embarrass them by pointing out the creeps using their platform to be perverted creeps. So the creeps will keep creeping on kids, and nobody will know except Youtube, since they have…

Just how would you solve this if you were in their position?

You won’t get an answer. There is no good solution that makes everybody happy. Just like everything else in the world it involves trade offs.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by spookthesunset »

calbear81 wrote: post #284

Here's a crazy idea, why not only let children comment on children videos? This way, kids that want to still express themselves and connect to their peers can do so on YT.

Great. Tell me a way to determine which accounts are being used by kids in a way that scales to hundreds of millions of active users...

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by PavlovsCat »

zanny wrote: post #317
Mirioron wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren't going to be any more damaged than the previous generations. Why? Because none of this is new. This kind of manipulation happened and happens all the time in all spheres of life. How do you think religion spread?

The accessibility and availability of screens to glue childrens faces to is totally novel and modern. There used to only be "saturday morning cartoons" because the singular TV in the house was dedicated to content the entire family of all ages could watch the rest of the day. Even at the height of wanton kids "advertising" tv (shows in the 80s like TMNT / He-man / Transformers that were just 30 minute ads for toys) t…

> We are seeing substantially more children coming of age now without any social skills or ability to interact

I would even say that the stubborn refusal to even see a problem here, and the shallow, abstract and disinterested ways in which that is argued, is evidence of pretty hefty damage already inflicted on previous generations.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by ltbarcly3 »

jake_the_third wrote: post #365
ltbarcly3 wrote: post #359

This is just idiotic. Rather than removing videos that creeps are into, or in any way addressing the situation where their platform is being used by creeps, they are just removing the evidence that creeps are there so we won't be able to embarrass them by pointing out the creeps using their platform to be perverted creeps. So the creeps will keep creeping on kids, and nobody will know except Youtube, since they have…

Just how would you solve this if you were in their position?

I would start by closing all the accounts that made creep comments on children's videos, or showed a pattern of viewing videos that are obviously intended for that audience, and banning them from creating other accounts (hard to enforce, but at least they can hold that in their pocket if one of these creeps shows up on their radar again), and then forwarding their information to law enforcement. Lots, or almost all probably, of those accounts can be linked to a real person (either by the username or their IP). If police knock on some doors a lot of these guys are going to be too stupid to lawyer up and will probably confess to much worse things or agree to hand their laptop over for inspection after a couple of questions.

Additionally, by a simple analysis of what videos are overwhelmingly viewed by accounts that view other inappropriate videos they could detect and remove almost all the videos that creeps are into. The original video which blew the whistle on this even pointed out that the youtube recommendation algorithm had detected this pattern of behavior, and once the person viewed a couple of these child exploitation videos they were recommended hundreds and hundreds of others.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by busterarm »

nl wrote: post #360
busterarm wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the context of that, I'm fine with youtube's rule, but we were already off on a tangent in the meta discussion and that is clearly not the context of this particular discussion. Go up two levels if you don't believe me. We actually already have laws here in the US about signing up people under the age of 13 for online services and have since the 90s. They're very lax and not enforced. A very large measure that You…

You seem to be missing the point. This isn't about children making comments. It's about comments by adults about children.

My point is that if the existing laws were followed, children shouldn't ever be seeing those comments unless their parents are insane and allowed them to...Don't give your young children a youtube account. Youtube can and should add blocking _ALL_ comments to the parental controls.

If all of these services weren't being offered for completely free, you could require a credit card purchase to make an account and solve this problem in an afternoon over a cup of tea. That's how simple it is. The problem is that the economics of these services allows and encourages children into these spaces without restriction.

Part of being an adult is figuring out how to deal with a world where some of your neighbors are horrible monsters. You don't just drive them into dark corners where you pretend they don't exist.

If pedophiles want to self-identify, that's great, because it gives us the option of getting them the treatment that they need AND of keeping our children far away from them.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by ehsankia »

wizzard wrote: post #183
Sargos wrote: post #25

What a ham fisted reaction to the controversy. Now all content creators have to ensure that no kids are ever in their videos, which includes background footage and movie clips. I think this is a major problem with our current centralized model of the internet where giant corporations make all the rules. Large corporations have no ability to rationally judge situations or inject nuance into discussions. They simply ta…

Ham-fisted is right. This is going to kill family vloggers, or even just vloggers who happen to have a family in the background. YouTube is a lot less engaging when you don’t feel like you can interact with the creators or other viewers. I know everyone trots our the “YouTube comments are a toxic cesspool and provide no value” trope, but almost every video I watch on YT 1) has a kid in it somewhere, 2) has worthwhile…

Do we know if that's the final solution? To me it seems more like a short term plug solution until they can train specialized models and adapt their moderation. I see no signs that this is the final long term solution to the problem.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Post by busterarm »

nl wrote: post #358
ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I didn't say that ideas need to be 'approved'. I challenged the idea that the ability to reach a worldwide audience should be free and available to anybody, regardless of content therein. If that "reach" should not be available to "anybody, regardless of content therein", then the logical and unavoidable conclusion there is some person or organization that has to decide what people and content are allowed access. Y…

This is absolutely not the case. Reach is about broadcast. There are plenty of non-authoritarian ways to reduce reach. The most obvious one is to make people pay for it (like they do on Facebook). Community moderation is another, and trust metrics is yet another. All have tradeoffs, but - since you are nitpicking here - it isn't a logical and unavoidable conclusion that this has to be a decision about allowed access.

Yes, let's institute zones of allowed speech.

While we're at it, if you'd like to protest the White House, let's make it so that you're allowed to do so but your protest must fit within a 9' by 9' space that must be a minimum of 500 feet from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. No carried signs may extend above 8' from the floor and your total volume must remain below 90dB. Make sure you optimize your protest space to have the loudest (but not too loud), boldest (but not too bold) voices, otherwise it will diminish your potential impact.

Lest you go to an argument about public vs private property, in our society, social media _is_ the public forum... Just as when these laws were written, public spaces were.

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