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If its your first car it makes absolutely no sense.
It makes no sense either way. CapEx and OpEx are different animals.
Oh, wait, cloud. Server leases. I guess we do it all of the time.
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It's cheap in NorCal - my friend had a Model 3 delivered by a dude. Literally. A dude drove his car to his house and then called Uber. P.S. by "dude" I meant that the man just drove the car to the owner's place from their Fremont factory (30 min).
What would it have been if not a dude?
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> Things have improved a lot over time. I'm going by what I've seen of people receiving orders in the last few months, over what time has it improved? If you buy one now, will the fitment compare to (for example) GM by the time it is delivered? How likely is the paint to be scratched all the way through to the base coat on delivery? I want to believe that they can make these things right, but honestly I can not have…
There are a lot of haters and short sellers out there and they can be especially vocal, so I’d just say take what you’ve seen online with a grain of salt.
Sarcasm aside, I'm inclined to be charitable to Tesla, but quality issues abound with every generation of Tesla products; and while things have improved, they are behind the industry in many areas.
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Tesla's long rumored price point is $100/kWh ( https://insideevs.com/tesla-cheapest-battery-pack-costs/ ) and these cars are presumably 60kWh, so ~$6k for the battery.
That is a target or prediction, not current cost, but still your $6,000 is much closer to reality than $20,000.
> In a rare disclosure of Tesla’s battery prices, Musk said in June that his company’s costs for battery cells—the small cylindrical components of its battery packs—had dropped to $110 per kilowatt hour (kWh) and would reach $100 per kWh by the end of 2018. That compares with an average price of about $127 per kWh industrywide.
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>It can be somewhat misleading at times but I get the rationale. “Somewhat misleading”? Acting as though money saved on gas reduces your purchase price somehow is just straight up lying. The car still costs $35k when you sign on the dotted line, gas costs don’t factor into that at all. If you want to talk how much it’ll cost you after n years of ownership, talking about gas costs is perfectly valid. Purchase price th…
Disagree. Electric vehicles have a very different cost structure than gas vehicles. For vast majority of buyers this will be their first electric vehicle and market education needs to be done. There's 90+ years of gas vehicle culture education to un-do here. Total Cost of Ownership is a legit (and even preferred) way to represent cost in most industries. It's just not common in consumer purchasing. This is a variant…
Didn't think so.
Or the cost of installing a 240 line to your garage?
Hmmm.
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Demand has collapsed in the US for model 3 and looks incredibly weak in Europe and China at this point. There is no reason for this across the board price cut other than weak demand.
> Demand has collapsed in the US for model 3 and looks incredibly weak in Europe and China [citation needed] Driving up 101 daily, I see truck after truck loaded with European-specced Model 3s heading towards the port of San Francisco.
"To achieve these prices while remaining financially sustainable, Tesla is shifting sales worldwide to online only. You can now buy a Tesla in North America via your phone in about 1 minute, and that capability will soon be extended worldwide. We are also making it much easier to try out and return a Tesla, so that a test drive prior to purchase isn’t needed. You can now return a car within 7 days or 1,000 miles for…
I would never buy something without a test drive. No level of return policy will be good enough.
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I can’t easily find a description of how this partnership works, but I think “Panasonic makes batteries in Tesla’s building, and Tesla packs them together for use in their cars” is a better description. If so, I would expect at least some of that better margin will flow into Panasonic’s pockets (what part, I wouldn’t dare even guess)
The problem is that the battery IP is owned by Tesla at least in part. So its not Panasonic producing Panasonic batteries in a Tesla building but rather its Panasonic building Tesla batteries in Tesla building. Panasonic could not just sell these same batteries to others.
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>It can be somewhat misleading at times but I get the rationale. “Somewhat misleading”? Acting as though money saved on gas reduces your purchase price somehow is just straight up lying. The car still costs $35k when you sign on the dotted line, gas costs don’t factor into that at all. If you want to talk how much it’ll cost you after n years of ownership, talking about gas costs is perfectly valid. Purchase price th…
Disagree. Electric vehicles have a very different cost structure than gas vehicles. For vast majority of buyers this will be their first electric vehicle and market education needs to be done. There's 90+ years of gas vehicle culture education to un-do here. Total Cost of Ownership is a legit (and even preferred) way to represent cost in most industries. It's just not common in consumer purchasing. This is a variant…
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Once you drive it, you are not going to want to return it, so all this is moot for most people.
One of the reasons I will likely never own a Tesla is because I have driven all of them...including the limited edition Roadster (courtesy of an old boss that liked collecting fast, shiny things). Other than the impressive acceleration, the handling and ride other ride tangibles of every Tesla model is below-average for both its price point and its class.