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Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by microcolonel »

natch wrote: post #89
microcolonel wrote: post #64

Is there an option which gives you good panel fitment and unharmed paint upon delivery?

Those were problems with some early deliveries. Things have improved a lot over time.

> Things have improved a lot over time.

I'm going by what I've seen of people receiving orders in the last few months, over what time has it improved? If you buy one now, will the fitment compare to (for example) GM by the time it is delivered? How likely is the paint to be scratched all the way through to the base coat on delivery?

I want to believe that they can make these things right, but honestly I can not have that much faith in them given what I've seen.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Someone1234 wrote: post #110
CydeWeys wrote: post #9

Interesting to point out that the $35k is the full price, which goes down when additional discounts are applied. If you get the short range model with no options, it starts out at $35k, then goes down all the way to $24,950 after including the $3,750 Federal tax credit, $2,000 New York EV rebate (clearly it's geolocating by IP address here), and "$4,300 estimated 6 year gas savings". OK, so that last bit is BS, and i…

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Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by ABCLAW »

traviswingo wrote: post #34
paxys wrote: post #7

It's so shady that their advertised price includes some hypothetical "potential gas savings", and the actual price is behind a tiny "learn more" link.

The actual price is literally right there on the screen. Potential gas savings is still a huge selling point to the market they're addressing (maybe not for you or I). I'm not sure this qualifies as "shady" when everything is displayed within the same viewport.

>I'm not sure this qualifies as "shady" when everything is displayed within the same viewport.

It seems concerning that outright dishonesty in consumer-facing material for large purchases might reasonably be considered par for the course.

What an abject failure of industry leadership.

Good thing they weren't kind enough to include the amortized battery replacement costs or other differentials in operating costs, like a comparison between their repair and maintenance schedule to an industry average.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by plexicle »

Someone1234 wrote: post #120
plexicle wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just described a deduction. A credit is literally cash (assuming you have enough liability to cover it).

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"A tax credit reduces the taxable amount of income you owe taxes on"

is not the same thing as:

"Tax credits reduce the amount of income tax you owe"

The former is a deduction. The latter is a credit. It's really that simple.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by genericone »

whatislovecraft wrote: post #81
iooi wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have a Twitter account, but I recommend submitting this to: https://darkpatterns.org/ This is shameful and should be called out. Price is not the same thing as cost of ownership.

You can only use Dark Patterns with a Twitter account? Is this some kind of intentional irony or something? Social Login force-tied to a specific company is Dark Pattern #1 in my books. Edit: They define "dark pattern" at the top of their site: > Dark Patterns are tricks used in websites and apps that make you buy or sign up for things that you didn't mean to. That's exactly with Login With Twitter is. The user is pr…

not good at email, "Twitter is best" -> if we aren't publicly able to show how responsive we are, and what our answer is, its a much lower priority for us...?

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by tfehring »

TheSmiddy wrote: post #86
_s wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely - I made a comment a few years ago around the Model S pricing when they compared it to a E or S class Mercedes. The base price of a given vehicle is $35k, and then I'd spend either $1500/yr on fuel and maintenance o, or $500/yr on fuel and maintenance if it's - for example - electric, on top the of the base price. Spending $1000 less per year does not magically mean the car is now $34k. If anything, the pr…

buying a $35,000 Tesla has the equivalent cost of ownership of buying a $26,950 ICE car. It's not a massive amount of mental gymnastics. I definitely don't agree with Teslas practices of framing it that way, I'd rather they just show cost of ownership comparisons across a variety of cars. Especially since they can't even meet the demand they currently have, why resort to shady practices?

> buying a $35,000 Tesla has the equivalent cost of ownership of buying a $26,950 ICE car. It's not a massive amount of mental gymnastics.

But only if you arbitrarily include the difference in fuel costs, which makes Tesla look cheaper, and exclude the differences in insurance and maintenance costs, which make Tesla look more expensive.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by vvanders »

thebluehawk wrote: post #108
kevindong wrote: post #32

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The gas savings is definitely shady. But including the federal tax credits and destination fee is fair I think. As far as I'm aware, no auto maker includes the destination/docs/handling fee in the MSRP. The Tesla fee amount is comparable to other automakers also (it's on the high side at $1,200; but it's not too different from Toyota's $930 and Honda's $920). Presuming your location due to geolocation is a bit too fa…

It's annoying that they don't make it more clear that's what they are doing, but the gas saving is a real thing. I used to spent $120 a month on gas, that went to $45 a month of electricity, then I got on a Time of Use plan where electricity is cheaper at night and now my monthly "fuel" cost is $15.

Yup, I was spending $400/mo on gas which is now close to $50/mo before you figure in oil change costs.

Quite a few cars/trucks run synthetic these days which can really start adding up.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by eclipxe »

whatislovecraft wrote: post #81
iooi wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have a Twitter account, but I recommend submitting this to: https://darkpatterns.org/ This is shameful and should be called out. Price is not the same thing as cost of ownership.

You can only use Dark Patterns with a Twitter account? Is this some kind of intentional irony or something? Social Login force-tied to a specific company is Dark Pattern #1 in my books. Edit: They define "dark pattern" at the top of their site: > Dark Patterns are tricks used in websites and apps that make you buy or sign up for things that you didn't mean to. That's exactly with Login With Twitter is. The user is pr…

That's not what they're doing - they aren't saying login with twitter - there is no login for darkpatterns - they just want you to spread the word using their alias and hashtags.

>Use Twitter to spread the word about Dark Patterns. It's the most effective way to put pressure onto companies to stop using Dark Patterns.

>Retweet, quote and favorite other people's tweets about Dark Patterns. >@mention the offending brands and tell them what you think about their practices.

>When you see a Dark Pattern, take screenshots and tweet it. Mention @darkpatterns or use the hashtag #darkpattern.

>If you've got an example that doesn't fit into a tweet, you can use a platform like medium or imgur, then tweet it.

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