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$35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by goshx »

scarmig wrote: post #54
matz1 wrote: post #41

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It might be shady and of course some people will despise it but if the net effect is sales increased, then they should do it.

Before, my impression of Tesla was that it's a company that has had some struggles but is genuinely trying to do a cool, useful, good thing. After, my impression of Tesla is that it's incredibly shady and manipulative, and I have a great deal of anger at it because this page is disgustingly deceptive. You've got to get a reasonable estimate of how much less likely I'm going to purchase a Tesla in the future, but befo…

Solely on the fact that they show the cost of ownership first?

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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TheSmiddy wrote: post #86
_s wrote: post #46

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Absolutely - I made a comment a few years ago around the Model S pricing when they compared it to a E or S class Mercedes. The base price of a given vehicle is $35k, and then I'd spend either $1500/yr on fuel and maintenance o, or $500/yr on fuel and maintenance if it's - for example - electric, on top the of the base price. Spending $1000 less per year does not magically mean the car is now $34k. If anything, the pr…

buying a $35,000 Tesla has the equivalent cost of ownership of buying a $26,950 ICE car. It's not a massive amount of mental gymnastics. I definitely don't agree with Teslas practices of framing it that way, I'd rather they just show cost of ownership comparisons across a variety of cars. Especially since they can't even meet the demand they currently have, why resort to shady practices?

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Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by srcmap »

tranchms wrote: post #21

It currently costs about $2.50 to manufacture a battery cell. There are 7,700 cells in a standard battery pack. That’s $19,250 in cells before battery pack assembly. I don’t know how they are making money on this. I’m inclined to believe they’re losing money, or someone is somewhere in the line. Maybe they expect those battery costs to decline rapidly in the near future? What do you think?

Love to see any estimate of battery cost trends for next 3-10 years.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by skellington »

jmpman wrote: post #75
_ph_ wrote: post #25

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Yes, it is. For Tesla it means, that they made up to their promise given when introducing the Model 3. Tesla has gotten a lot of critique after the Model 3 deliveries where much later than initially expected and the available versions much more expensive then the promised base price. Offering now a Model 3 for that base price should win them a lot of credibility back. For the consumer it means, that the cheapest Tesl…

It’s not the promise I’d signed up for. When I dropped my $2k reservation, it was for a $35,000 car, including a $7500 government rebate, or net $27500 (plus tax lic etc). Instead of delivering my car in the order the reservation was placed, (in that scenario, I’d get the full $7500 rebate), my reservation was reprioritized for Tesla’s bottom line. Would I have done the same thing in Elon’s shoes, sure, but just beca…

Some people are just never happy.....

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by plexicle »

Someone1234 wrote: post #110
CydeWeys wrote: post #9

Interesting to point out that the $35k is the full price, which goes down when additional discounts are applied. If you get the short range model with no options, it starts out at $35k, then goes down all the way to $24,950 after including the $3,750 Federal tax credit, $2,000 New York EV rebate (clearly it's geolocating by IP address here), and "$4,300 estimated 6 year gas savings". OK, so that last bit is BS, and i…

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You just described a deduction.

A credit is literally cash (assuming you have enough liability to cover it).

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by driverdan »

fengb wrote: post #31
goshx wrote: post #15

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My experiences with other cars are the opposite. I've seen a lot of advertised prices that are not really what they want to charge you when you make it to the store to purchase.

Funnily enough, the listed MSRP usually much higher than actual dealership price.

Invoice minus promotions is what you should pay which is typically a few thousand USD less than MSRP.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by sixQuarks »

dmitrygr wrote: post #80

Actually: $36,200 Tesla charges a non-negotiable $1,200 "Destination & doc fee" which in CA is not a fee . It is not state mandated, and is just pure profit for dealerships that charge it (explaining why the amount varies wildly per-dealership). Google it. It is NOT required anywhere, and all cars I've ever bought, I've gotten the dealership to pay it.

Sorry, but that's BS. You have never gotten a dealer to take doc fee off the price. That would be illegal and no dealer is going to do that. Negotiate the price of the car lower? Yes. Take doc fee off. No way. By law, dealers HAVE to charge the same doc fee to every buyer. They may not have to charge doc fee, but if they do, it's the same for everyone, no exceptions.

If on some crazy change you actually got the dealer to line item doc fee as $0 on the contract, than they could be in a ton of trouble.

Re: $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Available Now

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Post by dmitrygr »

sixQuarks wrote: post #117
dmitrygr wrote: post #80

Actually: $36,200 Tesla charges a non-negotiable $1,200 "Destination & doc fee" which in CA is not a fee . It is not state mandated, and is just pure profit for dealerships that charge it (explaining why the amount varies wildly per-dealership). Google it. It is NOT required anywhere, and all cars I've ever bought, I've gotten the dealership to pay it.

Sorry, but that's BS. You have never gotten a dealer to take doc fee off the price. That would be illegal and no dealer is going to do that. Negotiate the price of the car lower? Yes. Take doc fee off. No way. By law, dealers HAVE to charge the same doc fee to every buyer. They may not have to charge doc fee, but if they do, it's the same for everyone, no exceptions. If on some crazy change you actually got the deale…

read again. they keep it on, and reduce other things, to match the agreed-upon final price. i do not care how they split it.
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