Earlier quoted context omitted.
The headline is not misleading at all, they are doing exactly what I expected
The headline is ambiguous.
Ambiguous != misleading - the latter implies intent
Apple moves to store iCloud keys in China, raising human rights fears
21–30 of 51 posts
Re: Apple moves to store iCloud keys in China, raising human rights fears
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I always find it weird when people from one country are very concerned about another countries citizens. I find it strange when people from one country aren’t concerned with other countries’ citizens. That may or may not justify “intervention”, but we’re all human beings on the same planet here.
Well put, and I do long for a day we are all simply just "human". But there is enough bad in this world that the only sane way to combat it is based of locality. Just as I am not concerned so much with what is happening in a home one street over, I am also not concerned about neighboring cities, states and then finally countries. Each of these groups surly has their own set of problems to solve before chasing after t…
I'm very tempted towards being snarky. This also is a logical fallacy. You can work on your families problems and opt not to support companies caving to evil dictatorships as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
Based on this fallacy we should never ever address any problem larger than what to have for dinner tonight because piddling issues are ever present.
Re: Apple moves to store iCloud keys in China, raising human rights fears
#23My first (knee jerk) thought is “I guess this is what happens when you’re under pressure to perform better in China”; but I think there is more to the story than we know. I would be surprised Apple if caved on this without having a mitigation strategy in place.
The "more to the story" is that this is required by Chinese law, as explained by the article: > In a statement, Apple said it had to comply with recently introduced Chinese laws that require cloud services offered to Chinese citizens be operated by Chinese companies and that the data be stored in China. It said that while the company’s values don’t change in different parts of the world, it is subject to each country…
Replace the word "China" with "Sweden" and it starts sounding like reasonable policy.
Re: Apple moves to store iCloud keys in China, raising human rights fears
#24One more reason to dump Apple.
And go to who?
Re: Apple moves to store iCloud keys in China, raising human rights fears
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's easy to say from a comfortable office chair in a Western country. Is there no line a country can cross before foreign citizens are justified in condemning another country's behavior? For instance, take China's current oppression of their Uighur population: https://www.vox.com/2018/10/24/18018282/china-reeducation-ca...
Yeah, maybe I do have it easy in my office chair, but somebody before me did the ground work to make it so what we have here is possible. If the people of China want change I am sure they can have it, but it will obviously come at a huge cost. In the meantime we can at least make their life a little better by giving them access to western technology. The alternative is that apple pulls out and has no ability to make…
If apple pulled out it at least it wouldn't be contributing to its nations efforts further people may already have incriminating data on their icloud which when the chinese authorities gain access to will lead to their detention, torture, and death.
Further having inherited your relatively easy position in your chair perhaps you ought properly to feel obligated to use said privileges position to help pull others up instead of shrugging your shoulders.
Re: Apple moves to store iCloud keys in China, raising human rights fears
#26The question is, by pulling out of China as some sort of business virtue signal, is the outcome an improvement? China doesn't need Apple and not complying with China without pulling out isn't an option.
Let's say some major Chinese company pulled out of the U.S. market because of the Iraq War, would the reaction of U.S. citizens, even those opposing the war, be positive? Wouldn't politicians use it as an instrument?
Make no mistake, scary stuff is going on in China, but the solution has to come from within China. In fact, by explicitly supporting the opposition in China, any accusation of "evil foreign influence" is substantiated.
Re: Apple moves to store iCloud keys in China, raising human rights fears
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
The "more to the story" is that this is required by Chinese law, as explained by the article: > In a statement, Apple said it had to comply with recently introduced Chinese laws that require cloud services offered to Chinese citizens be operated by Chinese companies and that the data be stored in China. It said that while the company’s values don’t change in different parts of the world, it is subject to each country…
Replace the word "China" with "Sweden" and it starts sounding like reasonable policy.
No it does not. Sweden probably is less likely to horribly abuse the data to incarcerate and execute citizens for disagreeing with the government, but the goal of the policy would be the same - to make all data about the person subject to the state's control. Swedish government might not be abusing this control right now, but nobody can guarantee it won't in 15 years.
Re: Apple moves to store iCloud keys in China, raising human rights fears
#28Re: Apple moves to store iCloud keys in China, raising human rights fears
#29Re: Apple moves to store iCloud keys in China, raising human rights fears
#30My first (knee jerk) thought is “I guess this is what happens when you’re under pressure to perform better in China”; but I think there is more to the story than we know. I would be surprised Apple if caved on this without having a mitigation strategy in place.
I am afraid any attempts to implement mitigations against Chinese law would result in outlawing these mitigations. It is not like US at all.
This. Friends from China tell me that China is less "rule of law" than "rule of people".