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Apple moves to store iCloud keys in China, raising human rights fears

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Re: Apple moves to store iCloud keys in China, raising human rights fears

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Post by news_to_me »

mbrumlow wrote: post #5

> they fear the authorities authorities Clearly countries have come about because people have different ways of thinking of how things should or should not be done. Because of this I always find it weird when people from one country are very concerned about another countries citizens. We(you) anybody can't be the police of the world. If you want to operate in another country then you should probably follow their loca…

That's easy to say from a comfortable office chair in a Western country. Is there no line a country can cross before foreign citizens are justified in condemning another country's behavior?

For instance, take China's current oppression of their Uighur population: https://www.vox.com/2018/10/24/18018282/china-reeducation-ca...

Re: Apple moves to store iCloud keys in China, raising human rights fears

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Post by coolspot »

schappim wrote: post #2

My first (knee jerk) thought is “I guess this is what happens when you’re under pressure to perform better in China”; but I think there is more to the story than we know. I would be surprised Apple if caved on this without having a mitigation strategy in place.

I am afraid any attempts to implement mitigations against Chinese law would result in outlawing these mitigations.

It is not like US at all.

Re: Apple moves to store iCloud keys in China, raising human rights fears

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Post by zaphirplane »

noja wrote: post #6
jjulius wrote: post #4

Headline is somewhat misleading - this applies to Chinese iCloud accounts, not all iCloud accounts.

The headline is not misleading at all, they are doing exactly what I expected

> The headline is not misleading at all, they are doing exactly what I expected

“They” being the submitter, it’s click bait, no date and misleading headline

Re: Apple moves to store iCloud keys in China, raising human rights fears

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Post by mbrumlow »

news_to_me wrote: post #11
mbrumlow wrote: post #5

> they fear the authorities authorities Clearly countries have come about because people have different ways of thinking of how things should or should not be done. Because of this I always find it weird when people from one country are very concerned about another countries citizens. We(you) anybody can't be the police of the world. If you want to operate in another country then you should probably follow their loca…

That's easy to say from a comfortable office chair in a Western country. Is there no line a country can cross before foreign citizens are justified in condemning another country's behavior? For instance, take China's current oppression of their Uighur population: https://www.vox.com/2018/10/24/18018282/china-reeducation-ca...

Yeah, maybe I do have it easy in my office chair, but somebody before me did the ground work to make it so what we have here is possible.

If the people of China want change I am sure they can have it, but it will obviously come at a huge cost.

In the meantime we can at least make their life a little better by giving them access to western technology. The alternative is that apple pulls out and has no ability to make it harder -- at all -- for the technologies that are used in replacement.

Don't forget the same people who are concerned about human rights were probably the same people who praised other sovereign nations that implemented the same sort of polices.

Remember this is a nation, it has other reasons why it might want its citizens data stored within the confines of the nation. To think this was simply a move to root out those who don't agree with the government would be foolish -- even if this move results in such abuse.

Re: Apple moves to store iCloud keys in China, raising human rights fears

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Post by eridius »

schappim wrote: post #2

My first (knee jerk) thought is “I guess this is what happens when you’re under pressure to perform better in China”; but I think there is more to the story than we know. I would be surprised Apple if caved on this without having a mitigation strategy in place.

The "more to the story" is that this is required by Chinese law, as explained by the article:

> In a statement, Apple said it had to comply with recently introduced Chinese laws that require cloud services offered to Chinese citizens be operated by Chinese companies and that the data be stored in China. It said that while the company’s values don’t change in different parts of the world, it is subject to each country’s laws.

Re: Apple moves to store iCloud keys in China, raising human rights fears

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Post by mbrumlow »

keiferski wrote: post #9
mbrumlow wrote: post #5

> they fear the authorities authorities Clearly countries have come about because people have different ways of thinking of how things should or should not be done. Because of this I always find it weird when people from one country are very concerned about another countries citizens. We(you) anybody can't be the police of the world. If you want to operate in another country then you should probably follow their loca…

> I always find it weird when people from one country are very concerned about another countries citizens. I find it strange when people from one country aren’t concerned with other countries’ citizens. That may or may not justify “intervention”, but we’re all human beings on the same planet here.

Well put, and I do long for a day we are all simply just "human". But there is enough bad in this world that the only sane way to combat it is based of locality.

Just as I am not concerned so much with what is happening in a home one street over, I am also not concerned about neighboring cities, states and then finally countries. Each of these groups surly has their own set of problems to solve before chasing after the problems of the next. So I chose to start with my self first, then my family and move out from there.

Re: Apple moves to store iCloud keys in China, raising human rights fears

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Post by macdaknife »

coolspot wrote: post #12
schappim wrote: post #2

My first (knee jerk) thought is “I guess this is what happens when you’re under pressure to perform better in China”; but I think there is more to the story than we know. I would be surprised Apple if caved on this without having a mitigation strategy in place.

I am afraid any attempts to implement mitigations against Chinese law would result in outlawing these mitigations. It is not like US at all.

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Re: Apple moves to store iCloud keys in China, raising human rights fears

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Post by macdaknife »

mbrumlow wrote: post #5

> they fear the authorities authorities Clearly countries have come about because people have different ways of thinking of how things should or should not be done. Because of this I always find it weird when people from one country are very concerned about another countries citizens. We(you) anybody can't be the police of the world. If you want to operate in another country then you should probably follow their loca…

You should google logical fallacies. Your comment has a few.
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