I watched the original expose video of this and I found the comments be disturbing, but I don't expect any platform to perfectly prevent comments. The more damning part for YouTube was how the recommendation engine was clustering the videos based on pedo preferences and automatically creating little pedo playlists. To me, that is their bigger fault as a platform is that they are built on automatically giving people more of what they like. Even pedos.
YouTube bans comments on all videos of children
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#122Does YouTube even need comments? I can't remember any meaningful discussion happening in the comments, it's mostly meme type stuff. Long term I can see this being the final resolution for toxic comments.
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#123> "better protect children and families" They're not protecting anyone, they're just sweeping the problem under the carpet. The real problem is naive/ignorant/reckless parents allowing kids to upload their stuff for the world to watch.
well, they're protecting their revenue stream.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
I, for one, do not want Google deciding what is true.
God forbid they put a link to Wikipedia under flat earth videos, huh?
You only think that's a good idea because you don't believe in flat earth. They could equally put a link to flat earth sites under NASA/SpaceX videos. Do you really want to decree that whatever they link is "true" just because you agree with them in this particular instance?
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#125How is it possible that it's easier for YouTube to identify children (people under the age of 18) in videos, compared to identifying certain types of comments and automatically moderate those?
Or is it some law regarding censorship that's the issue?
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s important to note they’re ceding a fight they never even seriously attempted to engage in where comments and content are concerned. As with all things Google and YT, if it can’t be badly automated, they’d rather kill it than set the precedent of doing anything useful. The short term result will be attention moving on. The long term is building up pressure that will probably result in major regulation. I wouldn’t…
>a fight they never even seriously attempted to engage in // Google+ started with a requirement for real names didn't it, no adopted identities. They stuck with it for quite some time. IIRC it did largely cure YouTube comments. But, it damaged engagement, so ...
> IIRC it did largely cure YouTube comments.
Did it? I don't remember that being true.
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#127The fact that Google is ceding the fight against toxic comments on YouTube is actually pretty shocking. In a company that knows more about you than you can possibly imagine, and more about automated sentiment analysis than anyone in the world, they couldn’t algorithmically determine who should be allowed to post on certain subsets of videos, or devise a system they thought was worth deploying to ensure comments meet…
I can't think of having ever seen a comment on YouTube that made the commenting feature seem worthwhile.
Could be a function of what you watch. I frequent cricket/soccer/indian music videos which match your experience. Other things like VASAviation are filled with awesome comments.
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#128What a ham fisted reaction to the controversy. Now all content creators have to ensure that no kids are ever in their videos, which includes background footage and movie clips. I think this is a major problem with our current centralized model of the internet where giant corporations make all the rules. Large corporations have no ability to rationally judge situations or inject nuance into discussions. They simply ta…
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There are tons of websites that allow you to stream and upload high-quality videos. In 2019 that's nothing special. The only thing YouTube has and none of the others do is a giant audience... which is built thanks to videos uploaded by content creators, mostly for free.
Without content YouTube is nothing.
Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children
#129What a ham fisted reaction to the controversy. Now all content creators have to ensure that no kids are ever in their videos, which includes background footage and movie clips. I think this is a major problem with our current centralized model of the internet where giant corporations make all the rules. Large corporations have no ability to rationally judge situations or inject nuance into discussions. They simply ta…
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Your last point is valid, not sure how that service can be truly open. However, they do have a responsibility in the same way a city has responsibilities around keeping crime low, streets clean, etc., so it's business friendly and local business can grow. What they just did is like police finding out about pedophiles and then proceeding to shut down all parks and playgrounds, along with a curfew for everyone to be home by 8pm.
It's not a just a service provided by benevolent alphabet dictator. Youtubers and Youtube are in a mutual relationship (easy to argue Youtube depends on Youtubers as well), and it's currently very lopsided.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
The ramifications of this are profound, at least: - shake the money stick at them and they will dance (thanks, of all people, Nestle!) - they've admitted a serious problem exists that they were unwilling to deal with until external pressure forced them to (i.e. they can't be trusted to self regulate) - they've all but admitted they can't fix this in reasonable time, if at all This is the first time I can think of whe…
I, for one, do not want Google deciding what is true.
The people who use gmail essentially are "letting google decide what is true" by having google do their spam fighting.
And letting google choose which responses to choose to a search request is essentially also asking them to decide what's true (how many people even go to the second page of results, much less later ones?)
I agree with your sentiment (and am not a gmail user -- yuck!!) but I do sometimes use their search engine...and know that when I use ddg I'm ceding the same authority to them.