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Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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More depressing that people like you would rather stifle expression so broadly in response to false panics like this one. Thanks.

A bit irconic that this comment got immediately flagged and deleted... Edit: looks to be back now. Edit edit: gone again

When I saw your comment was flagged I vouched for it. For the record I don't consider it a personal attack.

My reply was be thus before it was reflagged.

Youtube comments are so painfully low quality not to mentioned badly designed as far as interaction that they are nearly 100 useless as it stands. Its a minor loss at best.

Reddit is an actually useful discussion forum with a useable model of interaction and sub communities dedicated to particular interests leading to discussions that are somewhat on topic and with people that are at least peripherally interested in the topic.

To be clear I think there is room for disagreement within the boundaries of the law and site rules and have no problem with communities existing whom I disagree with.

Whats more I'm happy that the code for at least old reddit is open sourced which is why you have at least one complete clone of old reddit with different moderation rules. Even the truly odious can have their own say on their own platform starting at about $75 a year. More if its popular obviously.

What I am specifically predicting is that the individuals who are specifically perving out to kids and juveniles will be liable to turn to a platform like reddit because it allows topical, optionally private subforums with a friendly interface where one can share links and comment.

I'm specifically calling for individuals like that to be banned from reddit. Let them have their own site until they end up guest starring on to catch a predator.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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The fact that Google is ceding the fight against toxic comments on YouTube is actually pretty shocking. In a company that knows more about you than you can possibly imagine, and more about automated sentiment analysis than anyone in the world, they couldn’t algorithmically determine who should be allowed to post on certain subsets of videos, or devise a system they thought was worth deploying to ensure comments meet…

I can't think of having ever seen a comment on YouTube that made the commenting feature seem worthwhile.

There are a few channels -- Ben Krasnow's 'Applied Science' comes to mind -- where the commenters tend to be well-informed and supportive.

But yes, in general YouTube commenters are enough to make one question the long-held conventional wisdom that a nuclear war would be a bad thing. I don't envy the people at Google who have to support and maintain the commenting system on YouTube.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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That doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't be investigated.

I doubt a creepy comment is sufficient probable cause to open an investigation, barring other indicators.

A google search has been sufficient before. Remember the pressure cooker and backpacks search from a family in New York?

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

#56

I don't know how to feel about this. The concept of "commenting on web page" is old, but with so much people connected to internet, do we really need a comment section on all pages ? From my point of view, comments are most of the time irrelevant, especially on Youtube. HN would be the exception. Comments involves a lots of energy to moderate for no value most of the time. I know it's nice to have feedback when you c…

My thoughts were along the same lines. Why exactly are comments allowed on YouTube at all? Literally all humans are aware that YouTube comments are a cesspool.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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What a ham fisted reaction to the controversy. Now all content creators have to ensure that no kids are ever in their videos, which includes background footage and movie clips. I think this is a major problem with our current centralized model of the internet where giant corporations make all the rules. Large corporations have no ability to rationally judge situations or inject nuance into discussions. They simply ta…

> This is not behavior we want from the few major building blocks of our modern life.

It's YouTube. It isn't that important.

Also, it is their product, so, yeah, they get to make all the rules.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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Official statement: https://youtube-creators.googleblog.com/2019/02/more-updates... It's not "all". > A small number of creators will be able to keep comments enabled on these types of videos. These channels will be required to actively moderate their comments, beyond just using our moderation tools, and demonstrate a low risk of predatory behavior. We will work with them directly and our goal is to grow this number…

> A small number of creators will be able to keep comments enabled on these types of videos

the large ones that can fight back?

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

#59
I think the time is ripe for a YouTube competitor to take chunk of its market share. YouTube has an impossible task of making a video hosting platform for everybody. Kids definitely need a particularly safe space to upload and to have supervision of some sort. Even adults don't necessarily want to be subject to the weirdness of the internet. Others really want a completely free, wild and weird platform. It doesn't make since for one platform to try to cater all these groups.

Re: YouTube bans comments on all videos of children

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post #12

The fact that Google is ceding the fight against toxic comments on YouTube is actually pretty shocking. In a company that knows more about you than you can possibly imagine, and more about automated sentiment analysis than anyone in the world, they couldn’t algorithmically determine who should be allowed to post on certain subsets of videos, or devise a system they thought was worth deploying to ensure comments meet…

I think it's actually a pretty hard problem.

> ensure comments meet a basic level of decency

Decency is famously difficult to define [0]. One person's idea of decency is another's idea of "free and open debate", is another's idea of alternative culture, etc. And the truly bad actors are using throwaway accounts anyway, or will start as soon as you start banning them.

I think active moderation and community curation is the only real solution to this. Sub-communities (formed around particular channels or topics) have to define and enforce their own standards of decency. In this case, I can understand Youtube taking the conservative approach of not trusting communities to do that, especially given a lot of the stories that have come out showing that they aren't.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it

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