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Re: What Happens at a Firearms Training for Teachers

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Post by minikites » Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 2:46 AM UTC

CompanionCuuube wrote: post #48

minikites wrote: post #21

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>the other side being how many people in the world are saved by the responsible use of guns This is thoroughly refuted by the evidence: https://www.vox.com/2015/10/1/18000520/gun-risk-death >Guns can kill you in three ways: homicide, suicide, and by accident. Owning a gun or having one readily accessible makes all three more likely. One meta-analysis ”found strong evidence for increased odds of suicide among persons…

> This is thoroughly refuted by the evidence: You're answering a different question than the one that was asked, which was how many people in the world are saved by the responsible use of guns.

I don't understand the distinction you're making. In aggregate more people are harmed by owning guns than are saved by owning guns.

Re: What Happens at a Firearms Training for Teachers

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Post by masonic » Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 10:24 AM UTC

MrMember wrote: post #45

potta_coffee wrote: post #37

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I don't have a link, but I read a long article about the development process for the 10mm. Apparently, penetration was the reason they switched to 10 (and later 40). They were having difficulties with 9mm not penetrating windshields and other barriers.

Yes, in the late 80s/early 90s 10mm was chosen by the FBI because 9mm ammo at the time had a tendency to under-penetrate (not an issue in the present day, 9mm today performs significantly better than 9mm 25 years ago). The story of the FBI's switch from revolvers to semi autos is pretty interesting. They decided on 10mm but some agents found it to be too "hot" and had trouble controlling it. So they put out a request…

  minor modifications to their existing Glock 17

I'm guessing you meant the Glock 20.

Re: What Happens at a Firearms Training for Teachers

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Post by MrMember » Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 4:40 PM UTC

masonic wrote: post #52

MrMember wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, in the late 80s/early 90s 10mm was chosen by the FBI because 9mm ammo at the time had a tendency to under-penetrate (not an issue in the present day, 9mm today performs significantly better than 9mm 25 years ago). The story of the FBI's switch from revolvers to semi autos is pretty interesting. They decided on 10mm but some agents found it to be too "hot" and had trouble controlling it. So they put out a request…

minor modifications to their existing Glock 17 I'm guessing you meant the Glock 20.

The release of the Glock 22 predates the release of the Glock 20, but going by their naming convention the Glock 20 was patented first. It's possible they modified the 20 but I believe it was the 17, I would have to check the book where I read it (Glock: The Rise of America's Gun).

Re: What Happens at a Firearms Training for Teachers

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Post by kthejoker2 » Sat, Feb 23, 2019, 7:24 PM UTC

pochamago wrote: post #47

smileysteve wrote: post #27

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> You think they happen less often in Russia? Syria? Venezuela? "Mass Shootings", yes. "Shoot outs", no. Venezuela, most shooting homicides are to cover up a crime, such as petty theft. These are inherently not "mass". Syria is in active civil war, these are not "mass shootings" as much as battles. They're also more shootings to achieve a political end (not to create terror towards a political end) or for the persona…

Mass is simply defined as three or more people getting shot.

I mean we can play semantics but the lone wolf shooter who shoots (many, many) people for no other reason than to shoot them is a problem almost entirely uniquely American.

Re: What Happens at a Firearms Training for Teachers

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Post by CompanionCuuube » Mon, Feb 25, 2019, 4:35 PM UTC

minikites wrote: post #51

CompanionCuuube wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is thoroughly refuted by the evidence: You're answering a different question than the one that was asked, which was how many people in the world are saved by the responsible use of guns.

I don't understand the distinction you're making. In aggregate more people are harmed by owning guns than are saved by owning guns.

And you think you can do without comparing how many times guns save lives than how many times guns take lives? You really don't understand the question.

Re: What Happens at a Firearms Training for Teachers

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Post by CompanionCuuube » Mon, Feb 25, 2019, 4:36 PM UTC

kthejoker2 wrote: post #54

pochamago wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mass is simply defined as three or more people getting shot.

I mean we can play semantics but the lone wolf shooter who shoots (many, many) people for no other reason than to shoot them is a problem almost entirely uniquely American.

But the lone wolf killer who kills many people for no other reason than to kill them is not.

Re: What Happens at a Firearms Training for Teachers

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Post by mijowi » Sat, Mar 02, 2019, 11:14 PM UTC

smileysteve wrote: post #27

mijowi wrote: post #15

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Uh, no it’s not. You think they happen less often in Russia? Syria? Venezuela?

> You think they happen less often in Russia? Syria? Venezuela? "Mass Shootings", yes. "Shoot outs", no. Venezuela, most shooting homicides are to cover up a crime, such as petty theft. These are inherently not "mass". Syria is in active civil war, these are not "mass shootings" as much as battles. They're also more shootings to achieve a political end (not to create terror towards a political end) or for the persona…

I don’t care why an innocent person is hurt. I only care that they are. The US is pretty good compared to most other countries on the metric of people getting hurt.