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What Happens at a Firearms Training for Teachers

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Re: What Happens at a Firearms Training for Teachers

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Post by schoen »

Casseres wrote: post #3

"hollow points, rounds designed to swell upon impact to ensure maximum harm." My understanding is that hollow points were designed to prevent over-penetration rather than to harm more. How does the author know it was designed to "ensure maximum harm"? I can't help but think it was intentional. Edit: Of course now that I read the rest of the article after initially writing this comment, I see that quote is also highli…

> side note, what is that called when they do that?

That's called a "pull quote".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pull_quote

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Post by gotocake »

Casseres wrote: post #3

"hollow points, rounds designed to swell upon impact to ensure maximum harm." My understanding is that hollow points were designed to prevent over-penetration rather than to harm more. How does the author know it was designed to "ensure maximum harm"? I can't help but think it was intentional. Edit: Of course now that I read the rest of the article after initially writing this comment, I see that quote is also highli…

It’s both. They help with over penetration, and increase damage. Both aspects are routinely advertised by ammo manufacturers, and the terminal ballistics are often advertised as having enhanced “hydrostatic shock” and larger wound channels.

Re: What Happens at a Firearms Training for Teachers

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Post by gotocake »

MrMember wrote: post #10
Casseres wrote: post #3

"hollow points, rounds designed to swell upon impact to ensure maximum harm." My understanding is that hollow points were designed to prevent over-penetration rather than to harm more. How does the author know it was designed to "ensure maximum harm"? I can't help but think it was intentional. Edit: Of course now that I read the rest of the article after initially writing this comment, I see that quote is also highli…

They are absolutely designed to prevent over-penetration. That's how the FBI tests ammunition. They fire it into a block of ballistic gelatin and ammunition that penetrates far enough to have a high chance of incapacitating the target but not so far as to carry through completely gets the highest marks. The only real way to accomplish this is with hollow points. There's a reason every law enforcement agency in the co…

Actually federal law enforcement has had a long preference for 10mm auto, and its shortened successor the .40 S&W. In particular the FBI HRT and SWAT still use it despite a history of over penetration.

Re: What Happens at a Firearms Training for Teachers

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Post by mijowi »

minikites wrote: post #12

The USA is the only country where mass shootings happen regularly, I wonder what every other country in the world does differently? https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/mass-shoo...

Uh, no it’s not. You think they happen less often in Russia? Syria? Venezuela?

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Post by spaginal »

Casseres wrote: post #3

"hollow points, rounds designed to swell upon impact to ensure maximum harm." My understanding is that hollow points were designed to prevent over-penetration rather than to harm more. How does the author know it was designed to "ensure maximum harm"? I can't help but think it was intentional. Edit: Of course now that I read the rest of the article after initially writing this comment, I see that quote is also highli…

As others have said, hollow points do cause more harm, but it’s a physical side effect of trying to stop the round in the target.

If the energy of the round wasn’t expended into the target, it would simply shoot through and continue into the next target behind, which is the absolute worst case.

You may end up only injuring the intended target but killing an innocent behind it.

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Post by DiffEq »

minikites wrote: post #12

The USA is the only country where mass shootings happen regularly, I wonder what every other country in the world does differently? https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/mass-shoo...

Well in many other countries the mass shootings are done by the government, make these shootings pale in comparison and don't get reported in these kinds of anti-gun articles. Also...this list is nothing compared to the bombings worldwide that kill boatloads of people. It also only attempts to show one side of the coin; the other side being how many people in the world are saved by the responsible use of guns.

Re: What Happens at a Firearms Training for Teachers

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Post by Casseres »

schoen wrote: post #11
Casseres wrote: post #3

"hollow points, rounds designed to swell upon impact to ensure maximum harm." My understanding is that hollow points were designed to prevent over-penetration rather than to harm more. How does the author know it was designed to "ensure maximum harm"? I can't help but think it was intentional. Edit: Of course now that I read the rest of the article after initially writing this comment, I see that quote is also highli…

> side note, what is that called when they do that? That's called a "pull quote". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pull_quote

Thank you.

Re: What Happens at a Firearms Training for Teachers

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Post by SolaceQuantum »

"But now it was no longer a theoretical question of protecting kids at any cost. The faceless target at the shooting range, so absurd in its proportions, had a face: Jason, whom I wanted so badly to help."

Yeah, I don't know. I feel that we shouldn't be training civilians in the psychological dehumanization necessary to kill someone. Especially students they know. We know this kind of mindset is damaging to the psyche. Also, has there ever been a case where a teacher successfully shot a school shooter before any innocents could be harmed? America has so many school shootings, we'd have data... such unfortunate data.

Re: What Happens at a Firearms Training for Teachers

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Post by EngineerBetter »

mijowi wrote: post #15
minikites wrote: post #12

The USA is the only country where mass shootings happen regularly, I wonder what every other country in the world does differently? https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/mass-shoo...

Uh, no it’s not. You think they happen less often in Russia? Syria? Venezuela?

They happen less in the UK.
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