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COI – Chat Over IMAP

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Re: COI – Chat Over IMAP

#151

I wonder how COI will perform battery and latency wise. I mean, if an email is delivered within 30 seconds to the recipient, that is considered fast, but if instant messengers take that long you wonder what is broken.

>90% of mails are delivered really in a couple of seconds, but yeah, turnaround could be quicker. That's why in the longer run we hope to skip the store-and-forward mechanism and instead deliver mails directly by IMAP server to IMAP server.

Re: COI – Chat Over IMAP

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I mean all this really is is two people sending email really quickly to each other....

And all email is is two people sending telegraphs really quickly to each other....

I mean metaphorically sure, but in this case it's literally using the exact same system; it's just the clients are changed to look like a chat app instead of an email app. This is more like if two people were sending telegraphs over actual telegraph lines, with morse code and everything, then at the end they type it up into a Word document and say "It's email!"

Re: COI – Chat Over IMAP

#153

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Too much white space. They could have condensed it quite a bit. And who needs a hero image that big anyway? That was "modern" when people just started using the word "modern". Like using the word "modern" now, it's pretty dated.

Whats the modern word for "modern"?

Modern. But beware, it's pretty dated. :)

Re: COI – Chat Over IMAP

#154

How is this different from https://delta.chat ?

Delta Chat is here, now, and has been for a while. It works on Android, Linux, MacOS and is being developed for iOS (limited function beta is available). There is no Windows client yet as far as I know. Delta chat has a simple and concise website which quickly comes to the point and does not try to upsell anything. This... has a 'modern' website and not much more. The site starts with a page-filling image of a happy…

As it's all based on email infrastructure, interoperability would be something amazing between chat platforms.

Re: COI – Chat Over IMAP

#155
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No, it's a client that uses your email account for purposes involving reading and sending email. Exactly like Thunderbird, or Evolution Mail, or Outlook, or Android Mail, or iOS Mail or countless other clients that have full access to your email client by design, and without issue. People generally take issue with handing over access to their email account to third party services. People don't generally take issue wi…

OK, fair enough, depends who provides the app. So far the project author(s) seem anonymous. (And no, the fact of being open source is not enough, at least not until certain popularity is reached) I've tried many XMPP clients on mobile but I would be afraid to test many e-mail clients.

We are http://www.open-xchange.com, http://www.dovecot.org plus people from the Delta Chat community and http://spikenow.com - plus whoever whats to join.

Re: COI – Chat Over IMAP

#156
Doesn't this bring a large overhead since you're sending a ton of header stuff for each short message?

It's true that email is really the number 1 mean of communication, but I wonder if it's not ton and ton of added layers to make it modern enough.

And as it was mentioned, I'm not sure email is really good enough for mobile and other constrained bandwidth.

I might be wrong, but email headers are pretty scary.

In the end, I wonder if any old protocol shouldn't be upgraded, things made deprecated, etc. Every decade or so, protocol should be sanitized.

Re: COI – Chat Over IMAP

#157

Hey everyone. I don't want to start a debate or anything, I'm just looking for a privacy concerned chat service that I can easily teach my fiance to sign up for and use. She gave up on Pidgin, and I would appreciate any pros/cons for your favorite service of this kind. Thank you in advance!

My parents & siblings are a mix of android/iphone users and I convinced them to all join Signal for group chats and it's been very solid.

Re: COI – Chat Over IMAP

#160

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They have a description of the client but I could not find a description of the optional server-side enhancements (besides that it should be advertised via CAPABILITY).

Chat over IMAP seem a bit misleading title. Their proposition is to add additional info in MIME headers. Or later some of them like Message-Id with chat info. So seem more related to MIME and SMTP. A client app can get those headers with different protocols too. MAPI, EWS, JMAP, etc.

Chat over SMTP/IMAP/MIME just doesn't sound right, or does it? We also thought of Chat over Email, or Chat over Mail, But Chat over IMAP gave us the COI (fish), which we love. Decision made :)
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