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Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by barbecue_sauce »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #16
minimaxir wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but what else do you do here? For your example ("the same kind of videos my own sisters would shoot with our dad's camcorder") there are two remedies: 1) Upload the video as unlisted, so it will not appear in recommendation systems and you can send the link to your friends/family. 2) Disable comments on the video. Public content is a bit more dangerous to leave unchecked in 2019 than in 2009.

Sure, but that's an uploader's decision they can already make today. It didn't prevent this drama. The suggestion here is that Youtube should do something about it, and I'm asking what that solution specifically looks like.

It also seems like people are downloading these videos from their creators' channels and then reposting them under their own accounts.

Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by minikites »

stickfigure wrote: post #44
minikites wrote: post #27

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Cooperate with the authorities to find and investigate people who post creepy comments? You already can't post bomb threats online without getting an investigation.

Bomb threats are illegal. Creepy comments are not. This may be an awkward position to take in public, but I'm not comfortable with the idea of criminalizing "creepy comments", especially on the internet.

Comments that cross the line into "grooming" are definitely on the continuum of child abuse, which is illegal.

Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by komali2 »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #2

>On Sunday, Matt Watson, a video blogger, posted a 20-minute clip detailing how comments on YouTube were used to identify certain videos in which young girls were in activities that could be construed as sexually suggestive, such as posing in front of a mirror and doing gymnastics. I looked at some of the videos that appeared in his report and it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my ow…

It's not the videos, it's the comments, and the suggestions pushing the commentors to other similar videos with similar comments.

Comments like, from "predator133," "@2:33 is what we call came here for," linking to a part of a video where a child is doing the splits or something.

Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by komali2 »

AnaniasAnanas wrote: post #45
Laforet wrote: post #33

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Youtube is not facebook, and judging by the continued neglect of youtube's comment system I doubt their ability to add fine grained privacy control, especially since they abandoned Google+ integration. This isn't a new problem as their comment subsystem has been a usability nightmare in years. When a comment thread geta to a certain length, following the conversation and pinging specific replies become increasingly d…

Both a usability nightmare and a sanity nightmare. The content of the comments there is about as bad as facebook's. To be honest if they removed the ability to comment then nothing of value would be lost.

Comments on youtube are far far worse than on facebook, imo. Hit up any tow truck channel and you'll see overt, unhindered racism, for hundreds of comments.

Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by throwaway-1283 »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #2

>On Sunday, Matt Watson, a video blogger, posted a 20-minute clip detailing how comments on YouTube were used to identify certain videos in which young girls were in activities that could be construed as sexually suggestive, such as posing in front of a mirror and doing gymnastics. I looked at some of the videos that appeared in his report and it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my ow…

As much as I'm not a fan of "big govt" in many cases, I hope there is legislation that prohibits parents from sharing photos, videos, etc. of their kids publicly (e.g. a public IG account, a public YT channel) without consent (e.g. meaning the child would have to be of an age where they can even legally give consent).

Children have the right to privacy, and it is crazy how many parents do not think twice before sharing.

Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by toss1 »

YouTube is an amazing library, but you must absolutely know what you're looking for.

The search algorithms have been cleaned up a bit in the last year, e.g., a search of "is the earth round" now pulls up a majority of actual astronomy vids debunking flat earth, but still serious junk in the top 10. But a year or two ago, it was 80%+ junk. Similar for Chemtrails. So they're making progress on the fake news.

But the autoplay and recommendations just run off the rails in a hurry. These should just be shut down until they can put enough intelligence behind them to actually keep making sense (i.e., a very long time).

But unlikely to happen, since autoplay generates more eyeball-seconds, and the costs of bad wormholes are external to Alphabet . . .

Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by komali2 »

14 wrote: post #31

Youtube wants to cater to everyone but to me it is clear Youtube is a risky place for a child. I let my kids use the site but I have no expectations of anything less then we are seeing here and try to keep an eye from behind. But I myself have found these types of wormholes he talked about in the video. Searching for massage techniques and saw a pretty girl so clicked it then next thing I know I am down a worm hole o…

What I don't get is why the fringe community even exists - is there that large of a market of people with porn websites blocked, but youtube not blocked?

Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by Laforet »

AnaniasAnanas wrote: post #45
Laforet wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube is not facebook, and judging by the continued neglect of youtube's comment system I doubt their ability to add fine grained privacy control, especially since they abandoned Google+ integration. This isn't a new problem as their comment subsystem has been a usability nightmare in years. When a comment thread geta to a certain length, following the conversation and pinging specific replies become increasingly d…

Both a usability nightmare and a sanity nightmare. The content of the comments there is about as bad as facebook's. To be honest if they removed the ability to comment then nothing of value would be lost.

It's not too bad for videos with a smaller (Once the number of comments reach a tipping point it's the time to bail out.

Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by brlewis »

pgrote wrote: post #29
jerf wrote: post #19

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"Ban kids uploading a video of their innocent pool party because some creeps might enjoy it?" Given everything else YouTube already does, I seriously, no sarcasm, don't see this as a particularly problematic solution. As ceejayoz pointed out, there's some thorny consent issues involved here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19209766 (ceejayoz' point isn't much larger than my summary of it, but I wanted to give cr…

I upload unlisted videos to share with family. I batch and upload them on a monthly basis. Never had an issue with Youtube and my family videos. Last month one video was my daughter fully clothed in the bathroom dumping a cup of water on my son in the bathtub and both laughing. You could only see his head and chest. It was 10 seconds long and funny play between young siblings. It was instantly and automatically flagg…

They sure can. They removed a video of mine for copyright because of background music in the environment where I was shooting.

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Post by 1024core »

nopriorarrests wrote: post #49
hombre_fatal wrote: post #40

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My issue is that whenever the topic of "child exploitation" comes up, there's always a lack of specifics. Both the specifics of what we're actually referring to and the specifics of an actual solution. Instead, everyone (like every media outlet and internet comment) casts a vote against "child exploitation". Who wouldn't? And the discussion stops there. "Whatever they're doing, it needs to stop!" For example, I bet m…

Lets be specific. My first question -- so, 12 y.o. girl being dressed in police uniform and acting like in an opening of a cheesy porn movie is your definition of "just kids having fun"?

But are you sure that no one on this planet would consider it as "kids having fun"? YT is a global medium. Just because you (or even the majority of people) are offended, it doesn't mean that everyone should be.
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