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Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by 0xADEADBEE »

baddox wrote: post #21
hombre_fatal wrote: post #2

>On Sunday, Matt Watson, a video blogger, posted a 20-minute clip detailing how comments on YouTube were used to identify certain videos in which young girls were in activities that could be construed as sexually suggestive, such as posing in front of a mirror and doing gymnastics. I looked at some of the videos that appeared in his report and it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my ow…

> it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my own sisters would shoot with our dad's camcorder. Your family camcorder videos probably weren't made available for checkout at the public library, filed under "young girls doing gymnastics" in the library's card catalog. If they were, I imagine your family and many members of the public would be creeped out or upset. > but what else do you do h…

While I take your point, the very act of uploading the video is akin to "going down to the library with a copy of the tape for anyone to rent" in this analogy, which does mitigate the degree of upset to an extent.

Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by [deleted] »

ravenstine wrote: post #22
malvosenior wrote: post #7

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I don't think Youtube can or should do much of anything here, but why on earth as a parent would you let your child upload something like that to a public website (or even worse, upload it yourself)? There are a ton of weirdo creeps out there and putting your child's private videos on Youtube of all places seems like terrible parenting.

Actually instilling morals and enforcing boundaries as a parent is an unpopular opinion these days.

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Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by benj111 »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #2

>On Sunday, Matt Watson, a video blogger, posted a 20-minute clip detailing how comments on YouTube were used to identify certain videos in which young girls were in activities that could be construed as sexually suggestive, such as posing in front of a mirror and doing gymnastics. I looked at some of the videos that appeared in his report and it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my ow…

One thing my partner and I disagree about is taking pictures of our kids in the bath or paddling pool, on the basis they might end up in the public domain somewhere.

My personal opinion is that it's the other guys problem, if they want to sexualise images of my kids, if I have to self sensor, we've already lost. But as my partner points out principles don't count for much if you've got pedos trading pictures of your kids, so.....?

Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by stickfigure »

minikites wrote: post #27
hombre_fatal wrote: post #16

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Sure, but that's an uploader's decision they can already make today. It didn't prevent this drama. The suggestion here is that Youtube should do something about it, and I'm asking what that solution specifically looks like.

Cooperate with the authorities to find and investigate people who post creepy comments? You already can't post bomb threats online without getting an investigation.

Bomb threats are illegal. Creepy comments are not.

This may be an awkward position to take in public, but I'm not comfortable with the idea of criminalizing "creepy comments", especially on the internet.

Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by AnaniasAnanas »

Laforet wrote: post #33
nopriorarrests wrote: post #12

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>but what else do you do here? I don't have an answer, but considering the size of Disney and Nestle cumulative marketing budget, youtube engineers will be hard pressed to do something .

Youtube is not facebook, and judging by the continued neglect of youtube's comment system I doubt their ability to add fine grained privacy control, especially since they abandoned Google+ integration. This isn't a new problem as their comment subsystem has been a usability nightmare in years. When a comment thread geta to a certain length, following the conversation and pinging specific replies become increasingly d…

Both a usability nightmare and a sanity nightmare. The content of the comments there is about as bad as facebook's. To be honest if they removed the ability to comment then nothing of value would be lost.

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Post by appleflaxen »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #2

>On Sunday, Matt Watson, a video blogger, posted a 20-minute clip detailing how comments on YouTube were used to identify certain videos in which young girls were in activities that could be construed as sexually suggestive, such as posing in front of a mirror and doing gymnastics. I looked at some of the videos that appeared in his report and it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my ow…

It reminds me of kurt cobain's assessment of those who saw child pornography on the cover of Nevermind: if you see this as sexually suggestive, then you are the pedophile.

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Post by [deleted] »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #2

>On Sunday, Matt Watson, a video blogger, posted a 20-minute clip detailing how comments on YouTube were used to identify certain videos in which young girls were in activities that could be construed as sexually suggestive, such as posing in front of a mirror and doing gymnastics. I looked at some of the videos that appeared in his report and it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my ow…

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Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by Laforet »

shittyadmin wrote: post #30
minimaxir wrote: post #11

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> but what else do you do here? For your example ("the same kind of videos my own sisters would shoot with our dad's camcorder") there are two remedies: 1) Upload the video as unlisted, so it will not appear in recommendation systems and you can send the link to your friends/family. 2) Disable comments on the video. Public content is a bit more dangerous to leave unchecked in 2019 than in 2009.

> Public content is a bit more dangerous to leave unchecked in 2019 than in 2009. What sort of advances have happened since 2009 that would explain this?

The sad but inevitable movement from open web to a balkanised web. Much of human interaction, both good and bad, have moved into closed facebook groups, discord, wechat and telegram channels beyond the reach of the search engines. Youtube just happens to exist in the present twilight zone between the old internet and new internet.

To me, the seminal event marking the transition has to be IMDB shutting its forums. Public discussion and discourse is now seen more as a liability than something of value.

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Post by nopriorarrests »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #40
nopriorarrests wrote: post #35

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>I only saw harmless videos of kids having fun when I looked at his own examples. Have you seen this -- https://youtu.be/M78rlxEMBxk?t=364 ?

My issue is that whenever the topic of "child exploitation" comes up, there's always a lack of specifics. Both the specifics of what we're actually referring to and the specifics of an actual solution. Instead, everyone (like every media outlet and internet comment) casts a vote against "child exploitation". Who wouldn't? And the discussion stops there. "Whatever they're doing, it needs to stop!" For example, I bet m…

Lets be specific. My first question -- so, 12 y.o. girl being dressed in police uniform and acting like in an opening of a cheesy porn movie is your definition of "just kids having fun"?

Re: Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

Apocryphon wrote: post #13
hombre_fatal wrote: post #2

>On Sunday, Matt Watson, a video blogger, posted a 20-minute clip detailing how comments on YouTube were used to identify certain videos in which young girls were in activities that could be construed as sexually suggestive, such as posing in front of a mirror and doing gymnastics. I looked at some of the videos that appeared in his report and it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my ow…

Monetizing mundane home videos with ads is a creepy and bizarre concept to begin with.

Worse is making children work so they can earn money as influencers. Don't see G lifting a finger there.
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