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Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by skookumchuck »

stronglikedan wrote: post #202
skookumchuck wrote: post #72

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Right. Just like you don't trash-talk about about your ex. No good will come of it.

I'm of the mind that only good comes of it. It's very therapeutic and who cares what they think anymore. Besides, that's one of the few things that no one faults you for - it's almost expected. I highly recommend it.

When your date starts trash-talking their ex, they'll do it to you, too.

When a prospective employee trash-talks their former employer, they'll do it to you, too.

No hire.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by not_kurt_godel »

all_blue_chucks wrote: post #252
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #99

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I was recently offered a job by a software company, work from home, paid monthly. I presently work in metal fabrication. Not only was their offer $30,000 below my current income, their deal was I front cash for expenses and submit claims monthly. Is this standard in the software world? Because from my perspective there’s only one possible answer to paying expenses out of pocket and having to claim them back: No.

Software engineer pay at tech companies in the US tends to be $150k for junior engineers to $300k+ for senior engineers.

Both of those numbers are possible, but much higher than average by my estimation. Glassdoor says average ~$111k for software engineering as a whole[0]. A more realistic expectation for a 'good' compensation package would be ~$80-95k for junior engineer and ~$180-250k for senior. Obviously there are many factors to account for, and both those numbers can vary widely, but the ones you gave are not what one should be expecting outside of a very select few 'elite' companies, and even then they are on the high end.

[0] https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/software-engineer-salary-...

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by r00fus »

chrisco255 wrote: post #139
BucketSort wrote: post #10

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Manager: I have altered the deal, pray I do not alter it further. Basically.

Say what you will about Darth Vader, but he was a pretty effective manager.

Exactly! I sure bet the lifts ran on time in the Death Star...

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by hndamien »

ethbro wrote: post #195
setquk wrote: post #181

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I worked for a similarly horrible person many years ago. I was doing on call support for a bunch of Linux machines. Literally it was him and me left because the moment I started the other two engineers bailed. One went to work packing salad because it was a better job (big warning!) and the other one had a breakdown. So didn't get paid properly, argued mileage down to the mile, the clients and him constantly gave me…

Stories like this are important. Because sometimes the situation is bad for your boss too, the company is in financial straits, miscommunication, {insert other extenuating circumstances}. ... but sometimes your boss really is just an asshole, liar, alcoholic, and/or a sociopath. Never assume the later off the bat, but never completely discount the possibility either. Because it'll probably happen at least once in an…

They are either dishonest or an a##hole then.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by wyclif »

halbritt wrote: post #169
morley wrote: post #57

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Re #1: I realize this is the safest option for your own self-preservation, if you don't give negative feedback, how do you expect your work environment to change? The way I see it, if you're in a bad situation at work, you have two options: try to change it, or leave. If you're going to leave anyway, why not at least try to improve your situation first so you give yourself the best chance of success? And that way, th…

Pro-tip: never expect your work environment to change. The chances of a report overcoming the whims of a shitty manager are very, very small especially in the context of a company that tolerates the shitty manager in the first place. Generally speaking, the best thing to do is to smile, appear to do reasonably decent work, and begin looking elsewhere.

Trying to change things might be an acceptable strategy in other industries, but I don't think it works in technology because the accepted method of achieving worker/workplace fit is to change jobs. This goes not only for bad management but also for raises (even if you like your current job).

Easiest way to improve your situation in software engineering is to just get a better job and move laterally or up.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by mynameisvlad »

dbg31415 wrote: post #224
mindfulplay wrote: post #162

Sorry to be pedantic as this is often incorrect: King county was NOT named after MLK Jr, but rather changed recently from referring to Rufus King to MLK Jr. I had mistakenly believed this too before I learnt about our history. But Washington State is indeed named after George Washington.

"Recently" like the 1986 Macintosh Plus came out recently. * Toledo Blade - Google News Archive Search || https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=hw4VAAAAIBAJ&sjid=2AIE... But, just to be clear, Edgar Martinez Drive was named after Edgar Martinez. (=

Considering King County has been around since 1852, 1986 should be considered quite "recent" in its history.

As with everything, context matters. Just like how we would consider homo sapiens as a whole "recent" in the scale of the geological time scale.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by mirceal »

john_moscow wrote: post #207
mirceal wrote: post #198

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dude (not an indian btw), you can be racist no matter what you are. identifying as an indian does not make what you’re saying less offensive

Being racist would be discriminating someone based on their race without actually looking into the circumstances. Pointing out cultural roots of a very real problem and openly taking about it is a totally different thing.

if you reread my comment was that the parent was offensive. saying that you’re from X does not give you a free pass to talk shit about people from X.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by RodericDay »

org3432 wrote: post #49
Consultant32452 wrote: post #33

My recommendation is to NEVER leave negative feedback on an employee survey. The BEST outcome I've seen from them is incredibly painful meetings that only seem to make the matter worse. My speculation on this is two fold. The first is that putting things in those surveys is a "permanent record" or at least "yearly review" issue for your manager. So you are (justly or not) harming them, and they will tend to respond t…

Yep, couldn't agree more despite the down votes on my previous post. The picture that we like to paint about how companies work is far from the reality, you have play by the real unwritten rules.

It's funny how you guys take some kind of pride in maneuvering what to an outsider obviously sounds like a dystopian-style bureaucratic nightmare of unevenly applied laws and insider-connections.

Rather than fight to change or improve this system, you gloat about knowing how to survive in it. So strange.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by mirceal »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #260
mirceal wrote: post #198

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dude (not an indian btw), you can be racist no matter what you are. identifying as an indian does not make what you’re saying less offensive

He's talking about a country of birth, not a race. It's better not to go around worrying about whether somebody will call you racist. It would be nice if I could read an HN thread without people bitching about Indians though.

depending on how you define race (if you look at it in the broader trrm of ethnicity) you can definitely talk about racism.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

r00fus wrote: post #273
chrisco255 wrote: post #139

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Say what you will about Darth Vader, but he was a pretty effective manager.

Exactly! I sure bet the lifts ran on time in the Death Star...

I don’t know, even Vader had trouble at the Death Star Canteen.
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